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So just how reliable will the Accord CVT be?

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I have read how Honda's engineers really nailed it with the new CVT in the 2013 Accords, but I am wondering what the long term reliability of the CVT will be over a 10 year period, as opposed to the standard 5 or 6 speed automatic transmission?

Will the CVT be just as reliable? Even more reliable? Or LESS reliable?

I do not see many folks asking this VERY important question!

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You are asking a question that only time will tell/answer.

We could look at the history of Honda CVTs found in the Insight and Civics, but those units are different.

There are much less moving parts in a CVT compared to a conventional automatic transmission, but that alone will not determine long term reliability.

Reliability will also depend on how much load and shock is put on the transmission over a given period of time. e.g. Sometimes I drive the crap out of my cars. Punishing it through every corner, keeping it at high revs, using the paddles to keep in the powerband, doing drag style launches etc. and sometimes I drive extremely slow (hypermiling) just to experiment with how many miles I can attain on one tank of gas (see my signature below).

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I guess you will just have to wait and see
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Correct. No way to know. No matter how well something is designed only time will tell if it is a hit or miss.

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Having spent the last 6 years with a pair of Fords with their CVT transmission (manufactured jointly with ZF Friedrichshafen AG out of Germany), I can say that when they work, they work well for the long-haul. The biggest enemy of the CVT is fluid breakdown and contamination. You MUST change the fluid with the proper ZF CVT fluid every 60k miles or risk warranty issues. The debate is ongoing whether the internal filter also needs to be changed - but the fluid is the key thing. I can say that I put close to 65k miles on the Freestyle's CVT and, while it's certainly not the quietest transmission on the plant, it shifted smoothly and consistently from new till trade-in. Now, if you poke on the Ford forums you'll find some folks that had CVT issues - and those were mostly due to faulty bearings on an input shaft, and were few and far between. But because they're a pretty complex transmission, they're costly to repair (nearing $8K total for new).

So will the Honda CVT on a car the size of the Accord hold up? As others have said, time will tell. But when they work, they're very reliable, and offer a very different driving experience than a normal 6-speed transmission. And, in my view, is perhaps the single reason why I wouldn't buy a CVT in an Accord. The driving is much more sedate in a CVT, with the real performance benefits once you've gotten up to speed (like in passing actions or booting it for fun). Performance from a stop (or lack thereof) is perhaps one of the negatives about a CVT, likely targeted at helping MPG's (which is why they're in hybrids so often).

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Hi,
I have read how Honda's engineers really nailed it with the new CVT in the 2013 Accords, but I am wondering what the long term reliability of the CVT will be over a 10 year period, as opposed to the standard 5 or 6 speed automatic transmission?

Will the CVT be just as reliable? Even more reliable? Or LESS reliable?

I do not see many folks asking this VERY important question!
The 2023 Consumer Reports article was pretty good, on it.

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I have a warm fuzzy feeling, confident that the engineers slapped one of these on rollers for a few hundred thousand miles or more, or it wouldn't be in their vehicles.
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Honda has been doing CVTs of various types since 1996. No reason to expect anything less than excellent reliability.

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I seem to already be having trouble with mine, with only 1,083 miles on it. When I'm accelerating from a stop, there's a jerky feeling, almost like hesitation, but multiple times until I get up to about 20 mph. My service rep said it's probably fluid contamination and that he's been seeing this with some new Accords. I have a Friday appointment to get it looked at.
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I seem to already be having trouble with mine, with only 1,083 miles on it. When I'm accelerating from a stop, there's a jerky feeling, almost like hesitation, but multiple times until I get up to about 20 mph. My service rep said it's probably fluid contamination and that he's been seeing this with some new Accords. I have a Friday appointment to get it looked at.
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Could be transmission issue that could be fixed with software update for the transmission only.

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Honda has been doing CVTs of various types since 1996. No reason to expect anything less than excellent reliability.
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The thing that scares me is... cost, they need to get the repair cost down. If I recall correctly Nissan was shooting $5,500 - $8,000 repair bills for their CVT issues/failures, but they managed to get the cost down to $3,500 - $4,000 in latter years.
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I have read how Honda's engineers really nailed it with the new CVT in the 2013 Accords, but I am wondering what the long term reliability of the CVT will be over a 10 year period, as opposed to the standard 5 or 6 speed automatic transmission?

Will the CVT be just as reliable? Even more reliable? Or LESS reliable?

I do not see many folks asking this VERY important question!
I'm pretty sure Honda just figured they could slap a CVT in their best selling flagship car w/o worrying too much about long term reliability (and corresponding resale value) cause they don't put much stock in their reputation as a reliable car. But seriously, anytime you move from something tried and true to something new, there's going to be some risk and unknowns that won't be known until, well, 10 years from now.
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The thing that scares me is... cost, they need to get the repair cost down. If I recall correctly Nissan was shooting $5,500 - $8,000 repair bills for their CVT issues/failures, but they managed to get the cost down to $3,500 - $4,000 in latter years.
You do have a point. Anyone remember early Accord news? One was about the Ohio facility, and how it needed a hermetically sealed lab to assemble some of the CVT parts?

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