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post #31 of 1001 Old 11-19-2012, 04:41 PM
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My 2003 Accord has over 142,000 miles on it and I changed the oil at 7,500 miles or longer. It never had an engine problem and was still getting 37 mpg on the highway.
Sorry but these are a both very well known and proven facts.145000 miles on a Honda is nothing and oil change interval within reason has very little to do with MPG so what exactly is your point?.Like I said it additive packages and duty cycles are always going to be the different.There are very few oil brands that are proven to stay in viscosity at 7000 miles amsoil synthetic is one.Ever wonder why the state website specifies getting an oil change as helpful before taking the mandatory etest?Do you run Honda oil?Do you run no name oil?.Do you use you car for short trips?Do you drive in dusty conditions?Many people do.Tearing down a motor at 300000 is very telling.Extreme environmentalist love people like you.Read you Honda manual I believe it will list exceptions and require Honda oil in the Maint minder section.Point being don't treat the little light as the oil god


PS Thermal break down lowers viscosity and will in fact slightly raise mileage while lowering acid and suspension protection.Or was that your point?

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anyhoot, is the MM really intelligent? I mean, you go to LUBEshop, or any stop and go shop, and they didn't change the oil OR the filter? but they reset the MM..

will the MM know that the oil is dirty? just curious
The MM doesn't "see" the oil, it only responds to various operating conditions to calculate the maintenance intervals. Resetting just makes it start over.


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There are very few oil brands that are proven to stay in viscosity at 7000 miles amsoil synthetic is one.
At 6502 miles the viscosity of the mobil 5000 5w-20 oil I used was well within limits. And it only costs $14 for a 5qt jug.

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Sorry but these are a both very well known and proven facts.145000 miles on a Honda is nothing and oil change interval within reason has very little to do with MPG so what exactly is your point?.Like I said it additive packages and duty cycles are always going to be the different.There are very few oil brands that are proven to stay in viscosity at 7000 miles amsoil synthetic is one.Ever wonder why the state website specifies getting an oil change as helpful before taking the mandatory etest?Do you run Honda oil?Do you run no name oil?.Do you use you car for short trips?Do you drive in dusty conditions?Many people do.Tearing down a motor at 300000 is very telling.Extreme environmentalist love people like you.Read you Honda manual I believe it will list exceptions and require Honda oil in the Maint minder section.Point being don't treat the little light as the oil god


PS Thermal break down lowers viscosity and will in fact slightly raise mileage while lowering acid and suspension protection.Or was that your point?
Using regular dino oil changed at MMI intervals of roughly 7500, my Prelude went over 220,000 when I sold it. I did not baby it. When I serviced the timing belt and valve adjustment, I've had the valve cover off so I could get a pretty darn good idea of how clean my engines were. I also had a cold air intake and K&N air filter on both as well.

The H22a was clean and showed no signs of any imminent sludge buildup at 190k when I did the second belt/valve adjustment service.

Fact is, due to the much tighter tolerances of modern engines and the better quality of motor oil, the 3000 mile service interval is completely outdated and rubbish. You can change your oil every day if you want, I really don't care.

But it's a waste of money to change it more often than the MMI says, and that's something that environmentalists and those of us who don't give a flip can both agree on. If it's not needed why do it? Even my Mom's 2007 Buick Lucerne, with the most outdated 3.8 liter pushrod V6, whose block blueprints date back to about 1962, goes 6-7000 miles on oil change intervals.

Think about this, also: The MM indicates when you need the car serviced, and most people bring it to the dealer..... if it was so important to change your oil at 3000 miles today, they'd program these things to be flashing all sorts of lights, bells, and whistles every 3000 miles!
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Even my Mom's 2007 Buick Lucerne, with the most outdated 3.8 liter pushrod V6, whose block blueprints date back to about 1962, goes 6-7000 miles on oil change intervals.
Good old 3800. Absolutely love those motors. So many don't even see 6-7k oil changes and get an OC when some noise appears. Many don't get the maintenance they should but keep on a ticking.

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Good old 3800. Absolutely love those motors. So many don't even see 6-7k oil changes and get an OC when some noise appears. Many don't get the maintenance they should but keep on a ticking.
A bit off topic, but IIRC the 3800 is/was one of the "best" engines ever built. It's damn near bullet proof.

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Sodaks2k,Mobile 1 is actually one of the best oil on the market.All im saying is that not all oil or duty cycles are the same.Therefore you can't take the maintenance minder at face value.As im sure you know sever duty can be as simple as short 15 minute commutes.Typically you have to run a motor under load for 15 minutes to fully removed condensation from the oil once it reaches operating temperature.This is why the most mechanics still change their own conventional oil around 3000 miles and error heavily on the safe side with customers cars since they don't know how they drive.The maintenance minder being triggered by mileage alone doesn't take duty cycle or oil brand and type into account.Most mechanics will tell you to spend the $30 every 3000 miles with convectional oil on your $30000 investment.I guess I have to agree to disagree on the subject but it is still the standard in the industry to this day and not a waste of money by a long shot on millions of cars.From the online 2005 Accord owners manual page 202 for the v6 under severe duty the oil change interval is 3075 miles the I4 is 5000.At What mileage does light activate 7500 miles?You can barley get the average driver to check the level once between service.
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My point is I disagree with your recommendation to disregard the owner's manual and change the oil every 3k miles.

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I also disagree with your statement that the maintenance minder is triggered by mileage alone and does not take duty cycle into account.
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Sodaks2k,Mobile 1 is actually one of the best oil on the market.
It's not mobil 1, it's mobil super 5000. It is not a synthetic oil.


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Sodaks2k,Mobile 1 is actually one of the best oil on the market.All im saying is that not all oil or duty cycles are the same.Therefore you can't take the maintenance minder at face value.As im sure you know sever duty can be as simple as short 15 minute commutes.Typically you have to run a motor under load for 15 minutes to fully removed condensation from the oil once it reaches operating temperature.This is why the most mechanics still change their own conventional oil around 3000 miles and error heavily on the safe side with customers cars since they don't know how they drive.The maintenance minder being triggered by mileage alone doesn't take duty cycle or oil brand and type into account.Most mechanics will tell you to spend the $30 every 3000 miles with convectional oil on your $30000 investment.I guess I have to agree to disagree on the subject but it is still the standard in the industry to this day and not a waste of money by a long shot on millions of cars.From the online 2005 Accord owners manual page 202 for the v6 under severe duty the oil change interval is 3075 miles the I4 is 5000.At What mileage does light activate 7500 miles?You can barley get the average driver to check the level once between service.
The problem is the 3000 mile "rule" was developed 30 years ago when engine and oil technology were primitive compared to today. Think of it this way, if we had the same engine and oil technology that we have today 30 years ago when the "rule" was being developed, the recommended OCI would certainly have been higher than 3000 miles. That said, I completely agree about not blindly trusting the MM, especially if you use an oil that is either better or worse than Honda's recommendation given their system is premised on the use of that oil. If someone puts synthetic into their car, the MM system won't know it and will short change the actual useful life of that oil, and vice versa if one were to use an oil inferior to Honda oil (a cheapie store brand). However my guess would be if you use Honda oil or equivalent (Mobil 5000 5W-20), that the MM system probably has a pretty good idea of expected oil life. I'm sure Honda's done used oil testing on Honda oil under both light and harsh conditions, so they aren't just making a wild guess about oil life. Further, modern cars have all kinds of hooks into the engine and how it is being operated, they also monitor oil temperature, so they can factor all these things into their oil life calculation. So I doubt anyone using the MM system will be endangering their car in the least, as long as the system is working properly. However I'd still like Honda to have been a little more verbose in the owners manual about what people ought to expect from the MM system so at least they would know if it's working as expected.
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I don't get why people want to convince someone to not do oil changes every 3000 miles. Who cares what they do? It's hard to argue against the wear of on engine that has it's oil changed every 3000 miles. Is it excessive? Probably, due to updated engine tech, but is it bad for the car? No, unless it's changed prematurely during break in. 3k changes are a bit low for my taste. 5k miles is fine for me, plus or minus convenience or trips that come up around that 5k mark.
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I don't get why people want to convince someone to not do oil changes every 3000 miles. Who cares what they do? It's hard to argue against the wear of on engine that has it's oil changed every 3000 miles. Is it excessive? Probably, due to updated engine tech, but is it bad for the car? No, unless it's changed prematurely during break in. 3k changes are a bit low for my taste. 5k miles is fine for me, plus or minus convenience or trips that come up around that 5k mark.

Very true, if a person is OCD, so be it, more maint is better than less and the person feels better to boot!
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I'll agree that the GM 3800 is a superb engine that could do 32 MPG.

I have had several Hondas and the MM is simply an odometer minder and not an oil monitor like BMW and MB claim that allow 15-18K intervals.

I find it interesting that there is no discussion on the tiny lawnmower sized oil filter that Honda uses. I tried to oversive on my MDX/Odys but there is a subfrane blocking that. I was able to oversize on my 300C which went from medium to large (length). The new 4cyl Accord may be amenable to upsizing.

When a filter is full of dirt, it goes into "bypass mode" and there is NO filtration. Smaller filters fill up faster-din't know if tiny Honda filters fill up or if there is plenty of reserve.

I also use a filter magnet on all cars with a spin on filter. It holds meal powder that might otherwise pass through. A srrong magnet on the drain bolt (won't work if you use a Fumoto drain valve like me) also keeps metal out of circulation (this oil btw is already filtered.
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I find it interesting that there is no discussion on the tiny lawnmower sized oil filter that Honda uses. I tried to oversive on my MDX/Odys but there is a subfrane blocking that. I was able to oversize on my 300C which went from medium to large (length). The new 4cyl Accord may be amenable to upsizing. [/IMG]
I have used the s2000 filter on my accord's (6th and 7th gen) for years. I would ASSume the filter is the same for 8th and 9th gens since the block should be the same.






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