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I won't dare ask whats the best oil
LOL - the best oil is the one that meets the specs of the manual and is on sale at your local auto parts store. You can way overthink this - go to bobistheoilguy.com if you want to see overthinking and "discussion" by "experts"

guys, this is a Honda commuter engine that is very low stressed...and made for Joe average - not a Honda F1 or Hendrick Racing engine. Use a good oil, change the oil when it tells you to or time wise every 9 months or so and a good filter...

and go have fun thinking about something else. I frankly am not trying to get into the Guinness book of records for how long my engine lasts, the above regimen will get you many more miles that you will have the car....



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I just retired from the auto service bizz and have a few thoughts on the oil subject. Every car, truck and motorcycle forum I've ever joined has endless discussions on oil and oil changes. Between engine lubrication not being well understood and the "mouse milk" marketing of oils and additives, it's no wonder there's such differences in opinions. Plus, there is a huge body of folk wisdom, old wives tales and plain mis-information to further fog things.

Here is my advice. On a Honda, with anything close to normal use, the MMI will give you a reasonable change interval. Use the recommended viscosity and service classification oil and any good filter. That's it.

Lubrication failures are pretty rare in the last few decades unless the oil leaks out or gets way too low from normal consumption and/or extremely long change intervals. Honda engines stay amazingly clean inside even with infrequent changes.

With these long change intervals though, be sure to check the oil level every so often. An engine that uses a quart every 3,000 miles will be almost 3 quarts low after 8,000 miles. That level of consumption is not that uncommon these days. Friction reducing low tension piston rings are commonly used today for better fuel economy and can allow higher oil use.

Another reason to avoid too frequent oil changes is the risk of having some cretin who shouldn't be allowed to work on a wheelbarrow doing a vital service on your pride and joy.

Now that I'm retired, I plan to use the MMI for most maintenance. I can't lift a car at the condo so I'll use a good independent shop I know about and bring my own oil and filter. The old grey headed guy who does lube and basic service there is meticulous and happy in his work.
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I just retired from the auto service bizz and have a few thoughts on the oil subject. Every car, truck and motorcycle forum I've ever joined has endless discussions on oil and oil changes. Between engine lubrication not being well understood and the "mouse milk" marketing of oils and additives, it's no wonder there's such differences in opinions. Plus, there is a huge body of folk wisdom, old wives tales and plain mis-information to further fog things.

Here is my advice. On a Honda, with anything close to normal use, the MMI will give you a reasonable change interval. Use the recommended viscosity and service classification oil and any good filter. That's it.

Lubrication failures are pretty rare in the last few decades unless the oil leaks out or gets way too low from normal consumption and/or extremely long change intervals. Honda engines stay amazingly clean inside even with infrequent changes.

With these long change intervals though, be sure to check the oil level every so often. An engine that uses a quart every 3,000 miles will be almost 3 quarts low after 8,000 miles. That level of consumption is not that uncommon these days. Friction reducing low tension piston rings are commonly used today for better fuel economy and can allow higher oil use.

Another reason to avoid too frequent oil changes is the risk of having some cretin who shouldn't be allowed to work on a wheelbarrow doing a vital service on your pride and joy.

Now that I'm retired, I plan to use the MMI for most maintenance. I can't lift a car at the condo so I'll use a good independent shop I know about and bring my own oil and filter. The old grey headed guy who does lube and basic service there is meticulous and happy in his work.
great post sir, a sane voice among the roar of the (enthusiast) crowd....
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Anything Special in "Break-in Oil"?

Is there something special in the oil that comes in the new '13, such as moly? Is there any reason to leave it in longer than 3-4K miles?

I've always done short oil changes on new vehicles just to get rid of possible contaminents in the new motor, and then gone to longer periods between changes based on oil analysis reports.
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okay gang, not sure how much the R18 engine in my 2012 civic HF differs form the K24W1 in the accord sport, but...

when i brought in my civic for an oil change (which directly lead to the purchase/trade up to the accord) the maintenance guy asked if i was at 15% or less. i said honestly i didnt check, but the car has about 5k on it, and i bought it 7 months ago. isnt it about due? he said no. it does have break-in additives and changing it too soon would harm the proccess.
he told me to get on it harder!
but... but i already do!
its moot now since the civic is gone (yes, before its first oil change!) but i will keep this in mind for the accord.
also on the point of break-in, i was told by a tech on the civic forums its fine to nail it, just let it rev down as much as possible in gear. this helps evenly bore the rings/walls together for a good seal.
like say you stomp on it to third. let off but leave it in third and let the revs come down in gear.
its tricky for an auto, but in the sport, its easy in "sport" mode. same with manual, obviously.

just a tip since we are discussing oil with additives for break-in.
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Is there something special in the oil that comes in the new '13, such as moly? Is there any reason to leave it in longer than 3-4K miles?

I've always done short oil changes on new vehicles just to get rid of possible contaminents in the new motor, and then gone to longer periods between changes based on oil analysis reports.

Yes and I never havethe patience to leave it in until 15pct...but i try....do a search on 8th gen....it's a bunch of additives that help it break in.

That being said I don't believe these motors are made of papier-mâché and that you have to abide by keeping it in the car. I believe if you do change at 5000 miles or 4000 miles or whenever you felt was right, you're fine.

the thing with oil changes is that you do it regularly and you do it with good stuff. It's that simple....


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but they pretty much turned me away when i showed up with my civic at 50% and 4,800 miles.
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Invest in oil changing and wheel tools....and you can pretty much stay dealer free. Harbor freight is the key:
Jack stands 2x$20
Floor jack-65
Impact gun...65

I also love a dipstick pump to eliminate mess...3 friends and I bought and split...same for impact gun....

All you need for oil changes, tire rotations...all the stuff a dealer rapes you for....
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I changed the oil in my 2012 CR-V when it got to 15% a few months ago. I believe it had 6500 miles on it at the time. The second change I did when it was at 20% (12,000 miles) with the third I just did when it was at 40% after 6,000 miles. The oil was nasty, so I decided to disregard the MM for now and change every 5,000. The car uses about 1/2 to 1 quart every change as well. No big deal, just add and keep going. It has 18,000 miles

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Don't fall for it!
The maintenance minder is there for people who can't remember to change their oil and sheep.You may also notice that the reminder lights up at an extended change interval saving countless barrels of oil though the life expectancy of millions of vehicles and not necessarily ideal for the motor.Oil lasts forever it's the additive package that controls acids and suspension that deteriorates,no two products are the SAME and neither are the duty cycles.I would trust an on board oil analyzer even less.If its my car I change the oil at 3000 miles.My father was an engineer and so am I.What we have here is a balance between agendas at the executive level.
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with the third I just did when it was at 40% after 6,000 miles. The oil was nasty, so I decided to disregard the MM for now and change every .
If you really want to know the condition of your oil have it tested by these guys.


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If your oil level is down, don't top it off. This causes a prolonged oil life, which means you will be using contaminated oil in your engine for longer times.
How did you come up with this??
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Don't fall for it!
The maintenance minder is there for people who can't remember to change their oil and sheep.You may also notice that the reminder lights up at an extended change interval saving countless barrels of oil though the life expectancy of millions of vehicles and not necessarily ideal for the motor.Oil lasts forever it's the additive package that controls acids and suspension that deteriorates,no two products are the SAME and neither are the duty cycles.I would trust an on board oil analyzer even less.If its my car I change the oil at 3000 miles.My father was an engineer and so am I.What we have here is a balance between agendas at the executive level.
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My 2003 Accord has over 142,000 miles on it and I changed the oil at 7,500 miles or longer. It never had an engine problem and was still getting 37 mpg on the highway.
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I just retired from the auto service bizz and have a few thoughts on the oil subject. Every car, truck and motorcycle forum I've ever joined has endless discussions on oil and oil changes. Between engine lubrication not being well understood and the "mouse milk" marketing of oils and additives, it's no wonder there's such differences in opinions. Plus, there is a huge body of folk wisdom, old wives tales and plain mis-information to further fog things.

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Lubrication failures are pretty rare in the last few decades unless the oil leaks out or gets way too low from normal consumption and/or extremely long change intervals. Honda engines stay amazingly clean inside even with infrequent changes.

With these long change intervals though, be sure to check the oil level every so often. An engine that uses a quart every 3,000 miles will be almost 3 quarts low after 8,000 miles. That level of consumption is not that uncommon these days. Friction reducing low tension piston rings are commonly used today for better fuel economy and can allow higher oil use.

Another reason to avoid too frequent oil changes is the risk of having some cretin who shouldn't be allowed to work on a wheelbarrow doing a vital service on your pride and joy.

Now that I'm retired, I plan to use the MMI for most maintenance. I can't lift a car at the condo so I'll use a good independent shop I know about and bring my own oil and filter. The old grey headed guy who does lube and basic service there is meticulous and happy in his work.

just love this post!


anyhoot, is the MM really intelligent? I mean, you go to LUBEshop, or any stop and go shop, and they didn't change the oil OR the filter? but they reset the MM..

will the MM know that the oil is dirty? just curious


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