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post #16 of 139 Old 08-02-2016, 06:49 AM
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I was a bit skeptical of owning a CVT but have enjoyed the one in the CRV and the gas mileage has been good even for AWD. I have a MT 6spd truck to satisfy my non-sports-car (i.e. Not get myself into trouble) MT driving but still think the 5sp Auto that Honda made is one of my favorites ever with the 4cyl. The CVT is almost better than the old auto in several ways and I'm still "learning" what its like to drive it.

Really like how it bumps RPM when breaking and holds RPM when accelerating. Like others have said, using the cruise control really lets the MPG increase and let's the car be smart about Econ.

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I am thinking of getting the V6 mt - have been wondering about gas mileage before making a decision.
Sorry for any hijacking here, but since the question was asked, my long-term average fuel economy is 27.5 mpg. Thats 50/50 city/hwy. At a steady 65 mph I get 33-34 mpg. If driven hard the cars mpg will drop into the low-20s very easily.

If I drove great distances, Id prefer the I4-6MT. Id sacrificed one second to 60 mph for an extra 8-10 mpg average. With a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds, the I4-6MT is still pretty quick.


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A consideration for the mt's. Ok, assuming it does get lower mpg, what does that equate to in the long term. If say you have to pay a few hundred more a year to drive a MT than auto I think it's still worth it

For sake of argument lets consider 12K miles a year driven.
23 mpg city driving = 522 gallons consumed
28 mpg city driving = 429 gallons consumed

Difference of 107 gallons, at $2.50/g avg that's ~$270 more in fuel costs per year, or $23 a month more. Small price to pay for the pleasure of driving a mt (if that's what floats your boat).



I've driven the accord cvt several thousand miles in the last few months back and forth between chicago and madison. Interstate driving is adequate. It's the backroads where more torque and better throttle response would be helpful.
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On paper maybe but after owning a CRV CVT it feels worse than a conventional automatic with the exception of gear hunting on hills. The CVT is adequate but my purchase dollars will be better spent trying something else. The increase in MPG's versus decrease in engagement not worth it IMO. 0-30 acceleration is dismal. Hopefully they can make them more engaging with the turbos coming on the 10th gen. Obviously they are here to stay but for now my purchases will continue with V6 automatics which unfortunately has a very low probability of making it to the next Accord so it will be another brand or Trucks and larger SUV's for me until the CVT makes its way there.
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On paper maybe but after owning a CRV CVT it feels worse than a conventional automatic with the exception of gear hunting on hills. The CVT is adequate but my purchase dollars will be better spent trying something else. The increase in MPG's versus decrease in engagement not worth it IMO. 0-30 acceleration is dismal. Hopefully they can make them more engaging with the turbos coming on the 10th gen. Obviously they are here to stay but for now my purchases will continue with V6 automatics which unfortunately has a very low probability of making it to the next Accord so it will be another brand or Trucks and larger SUV's for me until the CVT makes its way there.



What about the 17 Ridgeline? It is "quicker" !
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What about the 17 Ridgeline? It is "quicker" !
That's more about the V6.
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GPz1100 – many people spend much more than $23/month to buy a more expensive car for that greater fun factor.

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I really like Jason Fenske. He’s the guy in the Engineering Explained videos. In your video I thought he did a great job explaining the difference between engine torque and wheel torque as it relates to max acceleration, gearing, and max acceleration at a given vehicle speed. Those concepts reside at the very core of power delivery. Great stuff!

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Honda accord is not a sport car, so will see how long it can hold up for conservative drivers, and if the savings can cover the repairs if it failed. That is the bottom line. They can make something so great, but if the thing didn't last, then what is the point.

CVT is nice as long as it does not creat problems.
True. From some of the CVT threads I perused, owners have to change the CVT fluid every 15-20k miles.

Too bad the simplistic design of the e-CVT from Toyota only works on its hybrid models as even the Corolla's CVT is likely not an e-CVT.

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Baldeagle Exactly. We'd take the G up there but then I'd really want to have fun and having older folks in the car and flying around corners just doesn't work Not to mention, since late april we've literally racked up about 3K miles on the car. Prior to that, the car saw same mileage over a 12 month period. G mpg is somewhere in the mid 20's if driven conservatively on the hwy.

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I still don't hate my '16 CVT Sport compared to my old '13 6mt Sport.



Neither one are sports cars, though the 6mt was quicker off the line. I can count the number of times it's bothered me on 1 hand. It's an economical family sedan, not a sports car. The 'Sport' trim is for looks only with either transmission.

The CVT seems like a more fitting option for the Honda Accord.
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I don't understand why is the expectation high in regards to performance if one is shopping for an Accord. There is absolutely nothing rare, special, unique about it. Not even the 17 special edition model. The CVT is nothing special compare to 10 speed MT/AT. Better than 5 speed AT I suppose.
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I don't understand why is the expectation high in regards to performance if one is shopping for an Accord. There is absolutely nothing rare, special, unique about it. Not even the 17 special edition model. The CVT is nothing special compare to 10 speed MT/AT. Better than 5 speed AT I suppose.
I'd say probably because while the Accord IS a "practical family sedan" it does also manage to eek out slightly better "performance" than most other midisze sedans. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to think of an Accord as a "high-performance" automobile but the fact that they're reasonably responsive, have a decent amount of HP for their class, and out-accelerate (0-60) most other midsize sedans, a lot of buyers feel like they can have their safe, roomy car that gets good mileage and also have a little bit of fun too.
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I really like Jason Fenske. Hes the guy in the Engineering Explained videos. In your video I thought he did a great job explaining the difference between engine torque and wheel torque as it relates to max acceleration, gearing, and max acceleration at a given vehicle speed. Those concepts reside at the very core of power delivery. Great stuff!
Well crap...car mod or Physics for Gearheads? I think I'll stock up on ramen noodles ...I'd love to add another book to my little library!

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Baldeagle Exactly. We'd take the G up there but then I'd really want to have fun and having older folks in the car and flying around corners just doesn't work Not to mention, since late april we've literally racked up about 3K miles on the car. Prior to that, the car saw same mileage over a 12 month period. G mpg is somewhere in the mid 20's if driven conservatively on the hwy.
LMAO! That's a pretty funny mental image. I don't think my Grandma would've minded though; she drove pretty freakin' fast in "The Couch" (1994 Mercury Grand Marquis)

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I still don't hate my '16 CVT Sport compared to my old '13 6mt Sport.



Neither one are sports cars, though the 6mt was quicker off the line. I can count the number of times it's bothered me on 1 hand. It's an economical family sedan, not a sports car. The 'Sport' trim is for looks only with either transmission.

The CVT seems like a more fitting option for the Honda Accord.
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I don't understand why is the expectation high in regards to performance if one is shopping for an Accord. There is absolutely nothing rare, special, unique about it. Not even the 17 special edition model. The CVT is nothing special compare to 10 speed MT/AT. Better than 5 speed AT I suppose.
Well, for those of us that don't have the funds to buy a "sports car," we're gonna do our best to turn our Accords into something very special AND unique...

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Well crap...car mod or Physics for Gearheads? I think I'll stock up on ramen noodles ...I'd love to add another book to my little library!





LMAO! That's a pretty funny mental image. I don't think my Grandma would've minded though; she drove pretty freakin' fast in "The Couch" (1994 Mercury Grand Marquis)











Well, for those of us that don't have the funds to buy a "sports car," we're gonna do our best to turn our Accords into something very special AND unique...

Well I argue that it is NOT special and unique to the market. Why should buyer pay top dollars to "special modified" car when modification hurt its value even more than the value of stock car.
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LMAO! That's a pretty funny mental image. I don't think my Grandma would've minded though; she drove pretty freakin' fast in "The Couch" (1994 Mercury Grand Marquis)
Ma has never driven. Quick direction changes generate lots of noise from the back seat. It's hard enough to even pass a car on a 2 lane road without getting an earful.

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