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View Poll Results: I have had a CVT Fluid leak on my 9th gen Accord
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CVT Fluid leak from Torque Converter Seal

I've posted a problem I had in a much older thread but since it's been confirmed I thought I would post something more recent as a warning to all new car buyers. It's happened on 2013/2014/2015 model years and I'm willing to bet it will happen on 2016 model years.

It will be even worse for 2016 model year owners as the area it leaks from is covered up in plastic and won't be easy to identify.

A month after I purchased my 2015 Accord I saw a thread on here about an oil or CVT leak so I checked my car and found the first photo.

I had the dealer who I bought the car from inspect it. We agreed that the oil stain might be left there from assembly and we would monitor it, we cleaned it up and I checked it periodically for a leak. I checked again a few months later and I found a new oil stain… not as large as the first but definitely oil or CVT fluid. photo 2

I cleaned the stain up again so that I could pin point how quickly it would show up, it took about 3-4 days for the oil stain to return.

I’m concerned about the level of my CVT fluid as I can’t check that myself (or not willing to given there is no dip stick). What annoyed me was that I asked them to check at the dealer and they apparently "did" by just removing the drain check bolt and saying "hey, nothing came out so you are good" but admited its at operating temperature and they only checks if its over full not under filled... but "it didn't matter anyway as they will be removing the transmission to repair it and will be reviewing the fluid level at that time." What about the fluid level for the last 8 months I have been driving with this stupid leak.

I’m very disappointed in my experience with this car to date, and Honda’s manufacturing quality.

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This was after 1000kms (1 month after purchase)

After 10,000kms (6 months)

After 200 km (3 days).

I brought it in on Friday and the master tech, service manager and myself had a look with the car on a hoist. They removed the small black inspection plate from the CVT and right away confirmed it was leaking from the Torque Converter Seal. Apparently motor oil and CVT fluid look about the same when they are new.

This will be a full day job where the engine and transmission are either removed from the top of the bay, or the transmission is removed through the bottom. The service manager wasn't sure.

I will post details once the repair is under way.

Guess I should have stuck with 6MT....

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See if you can get any compensation by way of extending the powertrain warranty.

The first 6cyl AT we almost signed off on had a trans leak too.


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I already have a 7 year extended warranty. If they put it back together and I have issues with my tranny I will pursue that.

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This is unfortunate and seems all but too common from what I read on these forums. I'm curious as if this is a manufacturing error or a part failure. I would assume that a torque converter seal for the CVT is an all new part from 2013. This issue probably goes unnoticed because most of us don't look under our cars.

Honda seems to have issues with really simple stuff which is unacceptable. A new CVT plant in Mexico should be up and running soon (if not already) so who knows if any new problems will emerge.

Hope that you get a good tech and not a butcher who dismantles your drivetrain.
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This is unfortunate and seems all but too common from what I read on these forums. I'm curious as if this is a manufacturing error or a part failure. I would assume that a torque converter seal for the CVT is an all new part from 2013. This issue probably goes unnoticed because most of us don't look under our cars.

Honda seems to have issues with really simple stuff which is unacceptable. A new CVT plant in Mexico should be up and running soon (if not already) so who knows if any new problems will emerge.

Hope that you get a good tech and not a butcher who dismantles your drivetrain.
I had the choice to do it at my local dealer (almost walking distance) or the dealer I purchased the car... and I decided on the dealer I purchased the car.... why? Cause when I asked the master tech about the leak he said he already replaced two main seals on 2013+ Accords.

My local dealer never even heard of the issue... so the master tech at least has experience doing the job before. I just hope they don't cause premature damage to any suspension, motor mounts etc that they take a part to remove the motor.

My car rarely vibrates at idle, so if it comes out worse for wear I will be extremely unhappy.

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Just a shame, new cars are supposed to solve problems, not create problems. Sometimes I think either a lease or a used 3 year old car with no problems can be just as satisfying as a new car. Sometimes, the best car is the old car that you already own.
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Just a shame, new cars are supposed to solve problems, not create problems. Sometimes I think either a lease or a used 3 year old car with no problems can be just as satisfying as a new car. Sometimes, the best car is the old car that you already own.
There is a risk in everything you buy... unless its purchased from a friend or family member where you know it's been 100% bullet proof.

I bought Honda over Mazda primarily cause I can have a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty and at very least know nothing is coming out of my pocket for repairs.

Hopefully after this major repair I don't have a single problem for 10+ years... or maybe I have a ton and dump the car.

My 2002 Civic had a new head installed at 12,000kms.
My 2005 TSX had it's hood painted, headlamps replaced with (front bumper damage) at 3 years old due to surface rust...
My 2008 Accord had 4 engine tear downs for VTC, and piston replacement....and now
My 2015 Accord will have it's drivetrain pulled for a $2 gasket.

Why am I a car enthusiast again?

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There is a risk in everything you buy... unless its purchased from a friend or family member where you know it's been 100% bullet proof.

I bought Honda over Mazda primarily cause I can have a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty and at very least know nothing is coming out of my pocket for repairs.

Hopefully after this major repair I don't have a single problem for 10+ years... or maybe I have a ton and dump the car.

My 2002 Civic had a new head installed at 12,000kms.
My 2005 TSX had it's hood painted, headlamps replaced with (front bumper damage) at 3 years old due to surface rust...
My 2008 Accord had 4 engine tear downs for VTC, and piston replacement....and now
My 2015 Accord will have it's drivetrain pulled for a $2 gasket.

Why am I a car enthusiast again?
Wow, I guess that Toyota didn't do enough to stop you from coming back to Honda.
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Wow, I guess that Toyota didn't do enough to stop you from coming back to Honda.
If Toyota wasn't so boring I would own one as a daily driver. So maybe Lexus will be more worth a drive.

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So hold on, does anyone have confirmation of this happening on v6 6AT models as well? I just checked my 2016 with 4k miles and I might be a victim of this.

Check out the pics. Definitely some trans fluid visible in the first one.












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So hold on, does anyone have confirmation of this happening on v6 6AT models as well? I just checked my 2016 with 4k miles and I might be a victim of this.

Check out the pics. Definitely some trans fluid visible in the first one.











Looks like the red marks in the first pic are marker from the factory. There does look to be some motor oil residue in the other pics but nothing looks fresh so maybe a wipe down and recheck to confirm if in fact there is an oil leak.
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Looks like the red marks in the first pic are marker from the factory. There does look to be some motor oil residue in the other pics but nothing looks fresh so maybe a wipe down and recheck to confirm if in fact there is an oil leak.
In the first pic I wasn't talking about the markers on the bolts, below you can see a zoomed in area of what I was referring to. Also, while I did clean it up, when I went back inside to get a rag and came back out, that little drop of red fluid was gone.




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Ok, if you see a fresh red drop, not good. Are there any droplets on ground where you park the car? If you see more fresh drops, take that bad boy in.
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Looks like I'm getting a 2016 Civic Turbo on the weekend. Most of their other 2.0L loners are grounded as they had the stop sale for the engine recall.

Doing a brake machine, tranny leak, Siri Update and oil change all at once.

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Brake machine, what's that.

Let us know about that civic turbo mainly if it has good low end grunt and if you like it better than your Touring. I'm guessing that the Accord will feel outdated already, the driveline will be better in the Civic but the size of the Accord is better. Sounds like a combination of the two will be the 10th gen.

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