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2013 Accord Power Steering Failures - NHTSA investigation

Here's a sobering thought from Bloomberg about the NHTSA probe into Accord power steering failures. A small number of 07 Honda Fit cars also had electric power steering issues resulting in one fatal accident. Owners of the Fits that had this issue said that when they got the car stopped, turning the car off and back on fixed the problem temporarily. One of the Accord owners reported the same thing.



Here's a list of all the owners who have had this problem.




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Wow, that's news to me.

What model was this? I didn't see it when I read it. The PS rack is quite different in the i4 than the V6.

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Yikes, I need to address this to the dealer...I had this happened to me 2 times back in September.
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Yikes, I need to address this to the dealer...I had this happened to me 2 times back in September.
Wow!! That's scary!!! Wonder what is the cause?

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Scary stuff, thanks flyboy for the heads up. Not liking this at all- too many electronics especially for a critical part like steering and nearly all makers use electronic power steering (EPS). It seems that the brilliant engineers would at least have a system in place where the car could be steered safely if there were a failure of the EPS. Does any designer ever think about a "what if" or a "doomsday scenario" to address potentially catastrophic failures?

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Yikes, I need to address this to the dealer...I had this happened to me 2 times back in September.
Please report this to NHTSA and Honda. It could help prevent deaths.

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Wow!! That's scary!!! Wonder what is the cause?
Intermittent failure of the EPS caused by some yet to be determined defect.

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Yikes, I need to address this to the dealer...I had this happened to me 2 times back in September.
Unless it happens at the dealership to allow them to verify the problem you are not going to get much help. Fit owners have been asking Honda for a recall on the electric power steering for the same issue for several years and Honda has refused. Hopefully the government's investigation will force Honda to issue a recall on this problem.

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Here's a sobering thought from Bloomberg about the NHTSA probe into Accord power steering failures. A small number of 07 Honda Fit cars also had electric power steering issues resulting in one fatal accident. Owners of the Fits that had this issue said that when they got the car stopped, turning the car off and back on fixed the problem temporarily. One of the Accord owners reported the same thing.



Here's a list of all the owners who have had this problem.

Reading through the second url, it appears the vast majority of the problems are cars in the southern states. At least that is who is entering the complaints. One also posted the fix to be the steering torque angle replacement.

Anyone know where that sensor is located? If it's on the motor (EPS) it might be too close to the exhaust pipe.

Maybe it's a high temperature heat soak problem that is compounded by the heat and humidity found down south. It almost sounds like the same problem with those takada air bag failures.

Will need to keep an eye on this though.

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Reading through the second url, it appears the vast majority of the problems are cars in the southern states. At least that is who is entering the complaints. One also posted the fix to be the steering torque angle replacement.

Anyone know where that sensor is located? If it's on the motor (EPS) it might be too close to the exhaust pipe.

Maybe it's a high temperature heat soak problem that is compounded by the heat and humidity found down south. It almost sounds like the same problem with those takada air bag failures.

Will need to keep an eye on this though.
Ten of thirty three were located in the North.

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Here's a sobering thought from Bloomberg about the NHTSA probe into Accord power steering failures. A small number of 07 Honda Fit cars also had electric power steering issues resulting in one fatal accident. Owners of the Fits that had this issue said that when they got the car stopped, turning the car off and back on fixed the problem temporarily. One of the Accord owners reported the same thing.



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Thanks you for the heads up!
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Wow, that's news to me.

What model was this? I didn't see it when I read it. The PS rack is quite different in the i4 than the V6.
Yes, curious to know if 4, 6 or both.
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Yes, curious to know if 4, 6 or both.
I read through the article and it didn't specify.... and no one has said here... so BUMP!
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My 2013 Accord had a power steering failure as well. Just happened last month. Car was with Honda for 3 weeks. They replaced the steering with as well as a few other components.
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NHTSA investigating 2013 Acccord steering problem



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2013 Honda Accord, 2008 Infiniti EX35 Investigated For Steering Problems

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has launched two separate investigations into reports of steering troubles on Honda and Infiniti vehicles.

By far, the larger of the probes involves the 2013 Honda Accord. According to NHTSA (PDF), there have been at least 24 complaints of power steering loss in the Accord, four of which resulted in crashes. Field data provided by Honda suggests that there may be a persistent problem, though investigators haven't yet identified a possible root cause.

Interestingly, 13 of the complaints state that the power steering warning dashboard light lit up as the steering went out. Although some owners say that the problem corrected itself after the Accord was turned off and restarted, others say that the problem persisted.

The probe covers some 374,000 Honda Accords registered in the U.S.

The Infiniti investigation includes a much smaller number of vehicles: roughly 17,000 Infiniti EX cars from the 2008 model year. Unlike the Honda investigation, NHTSA states (PDF) that the Infiniti probe is based on complaints of steering wheel shaft separation. According to one of the two incident reports:

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"The driver reported that the steering became loose while driving home and completely separated after stopping in his driveway. A service invoice provided by the owner indicates that the dealer replaced the steering column and shaft assembly after finding a failed steering shaft bearing."
Both of these investigations mark the first step in NHTSA's three-step recall process. If problems are found to be persistent across makes, models, years, dates of manufacture, or some other factor, they'll be moved to phase two, the Engineering Analysis, during which the agency will attempt to recreate the problems in lab settings. Depending on the results of those tests, NHTSA may request a full recall of the vehicles.

Stay tuned.
I recall a few posters on this forum describing their steering cutting out and how dangerous of a situation it could have been.



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I read through the article and it didn't specify.... and no one has said here... so BUMP!
If the owners here with the problem please identify the engine you have with the problem. This will determine the type of steering assist is the problem.

So far we have two stating they have the problem and one has a MT 2014 model year (supposedly outside the 2013 group of cars per the article) and the other is unknown.

Any further information would help all of us.

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My 2013 Accord had a power steering failure as well. Just happened last month. Car was with Honda for 3 weeks. They replaced the steering with as well as a few other components.
Do you own a 4 cylinder or a V6 model?

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