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post #16 of 37 Old 01-08-2014, 06:01 AM
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Sometime I can't go into 1st unless I shift to 2nd first..
This is normal. Sometimes the teeth on the dog gear doesn't line up just right when the car stops rolling, which is why you sometimes have a hard time shifting into 1st or reverse from a stop. Just shift it into another gear, then select 1st or reverse. In doing this, the dog gear is lined up properly and you can select the gear you want. Just don't force it into gear! This can damage the shift cables or shift fork inside the transmission!

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This is normal. Sometimes the teeth on the dog gear doesn't line up just right when the car stops rolling, which is why you sometimes have a hard time shifting into 1st or reverse from a stop. Just shift it into another gear, then select 1st or reverse. In doing this, the dog gear is lined up properly and you can select the gear you want. Just don't force it into gear! This can damage the shift cables or shift fork inside the transmission!
Yeah, I've gotten pretty used to it. I just do it now without thinking.


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post #18 of 37 Old 05-01-2017, 09:26 AM
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My 2014 V6 6 speed has this issue as well. Trans/engine warm. Attempt a high rpm (6800) 1-2 shift and I'll get the occasional crunch/grind in 2nd gear only. I think that this is a Honda "thing"
not that I'm happy about it.

My 09 Si was even worse. It seems to happen less with traction control off. I've sent my dealer an email. Hopefully they will replace my 2nd gear synchro under powertrain warranty.
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post #19 of 37 Old 05-01-2017, 04:23 PM
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My Integras did the occasional grind like that. They aren't the strongest synchros. I actually found that using 10w40 motor oil was the best thing available for the trans.
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post #20 of 37 Old 05-02-2017, 08:26 AM
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I dropped it off at Honda last night. Totally expecting the "tested OK, no problems with gear" line but I'm humoring myself. I wrote specific instructions for the tech to attempt a fast
shift from 1-2 at 6800 rpm. I'd say it happens 1 out of every 10-20 times.
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2nd gear seems to be a problem on most manual transmissions regardless of manufacture.

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post #22 of 37 Old 05-05-2017, 06:54 AM
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2nd gear seems to be a problem on most manual transmissions regardless of manufacture.
Yep...sad but true. 5.0 Mustangs, some Corvettes, BMW's etc.

So as I figured, everything tested out "OK" according to Honda. They couldn't get 2nd to grind. Although I believe that they do not drive the bag off the car launching it off a light and flooring it into second. If you drive like grandma, it'll never grind right?

But for what it's worth, here we are 3 days later and I haven't had another 2nd gear grind. It could be driver error or to do with that slave valve in the clutch master. Much like my Si, I find it happens less often with traction control OFF.

What rpm do my 6-6 folks do a 1-2 shift at in a racing type situation? I'm going to stick around 6600-6800. I should source a shift light for this bad boy
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The slave cylinder check valve will have nothing to do with the grind.

You just need to be more diligent when shifting, and not completely slamming it into second. I think you'll find a slight pause before dumping it into second with all but eliminate the grind, and give you a nice 1-2 shift when getting on it hard.
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The slave cylinder check valve will have nothing to do with the grind.

You just need to be more diligent when shifting, and not completely slamming it into second. I think you'll find a slight pause before dumping it into second with all but eliminate the grind, and give you a nice 1-2 shift when getting on it hard.
That's exactly what I'm focusing on now. I hold the clutch in for a millisecond longer on the 1-2 shift and bingo, no more grinding. I've always used the 3 finger "cupping" method to guide the shifter into 2nd instead of the brute force rock crusher style haha.

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Update: I had Honda replace my transmission fluid with factory oem stuff and it seems to have made a marginal difference. I've yet to have a grind since, not that it happened that often.
I found that pre fluid change, 5th gear would occasionally feel excessively notchy at the final part of the shift. 200366HFP is 100% right that the 1-2 shift requires a little more mechanical
sympathy to be smooth. It's not like my old T-56 that you could slam into gear without an issue.
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Update: I had Honda replace my transmission fluid with factory oem stuff and it seems to have made a marginal difference. I've yet to have a grind since, not that it happened that often.
I found that pre fluid change, 5th gear would occasionally feel excessively notchy at the final part of the shift. 200366HFP is 100% right that the 1-2 shift requires a little more mechanical
sympathy to be smooth. It's not like my old T-56 that you could slam into gear without an issue.
I completely missed this thread 'cause of out really sick the first, through May, several months of this year.

Agree the 1-2 shift, and others for that matter, "require" a bit more finesse than the T-4's (yes I'm quite old) from back in my drag racing days. Noting, tho, I've never had an issue with 1-2 gear grinding with wife's '09 Civic Si. But I generally, under normal conditions don't use first gear in that car, either.

I have, of course, ground my fair share of gears. But I've always seen it as it's my own damn fault.

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Hi I'm new here, my 2013 accord sport with 58k. Car goes into 2nd gear with no problems but it would spit it out and starts to grind as per my Honda dealer I'll have to pay 1250 for a diagnostic which they will bring the tranny down to find whts the problem. And if it's cover in the warranty I wouldn't have to pay for it. But I received a call from Honda service manager explaining to me the cost and repaired and wht was covered and he said tht the synchro and gears wouldn't be covered under the warranty it's tht true or are they bs for me to pay them?
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Hi I'm new here, my 2013 accord sport with 58k. Car goes into 2nd gear with no problems but it would spit it out and starts to grind as per my Honda dealer I'll have to pay 1250 for a diagnostic which they will bring the tranny down to find whts the problem. And if it's cover in the warranty I wouldn't have to pay for it. But I received a call from Honda service manager explaining to me the cost and repaired and wht was covered and he said tht the synchro and gears wouldn't be covered under the warranty it's tht true or are they bs for me to pay them?
I would call Honda customer service and let them know that the dealer claimed it wonít be covered. Iím assuming youíre still under the factory powertrain warranty (60k). Did you buy the vehicle new or pre-owned? Do you know if the carís transmission has been taken apart in the past or if any other major warranty work has been performed? There are quite a few people who have had the same issue with 2nd gear. I myself had second gear replaced on my Accord Sport per AHM at no cost whatsoever with a two week rental included since my dealer does not offer loaners.


EDIT: I reread your post. Itís unclear what the dealer covered (labor or parts or both) and which parts they replaced.

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Thanks for the reply this is what they text me .

You have to authorize tear down
For them to go further $1250+tax if it's covered then you don't pay diagnostics or cost of repair, but if it isn't covered you're responsible for the diagnostic
Note if it's not covered and you want to repair it, the diagnostics goes towards the repair
Also note if it's not covered and you decline they'll charge you to put it back together.

Then he said he asked if he could fax me an authorization for so they could start taking it apart so I told him to email. Thts when the service manager wanted me to call him so I did he wanted to go over on wht was cover and not seals gaskets etc are cover but not cover gears and synchronizers,
I did called American Honda and they went thru the list with me Transmission / Transfer Case
Case and all internal parts; torque
converter; transfer case and all internal
parts; transmission/powertrain control
module; seals and gaskets.
Now my ? Wouldn't the synchro would be included there?

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I would pose the question to the service manager, why would the syncro's _not_ be covered?


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