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I'm looking to install a Viper 5902 (First Choice) or 5901 (Second Choice) in my 2008 Honda Accord EX-L i4 with Navigation. I'm wondering what is the best bypass to use. The compatibility wizard says the CANMAX400, CANMAX400DEI, and PKH34 can all be used. Is there a benefit to using one over the other and which is the one most people are using?

Any recommendations on the install would be greatly appreciated (i.e. optional accessories).

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Personally, I think car alarms are a waste of money. Whenever anyone hears them, they go ignored. If a thief really wanted the car, they will get it even with an alarm. If you want remote start, Honda makes an OEM remote start that will even control the climate system (which is why people want them in the first place, to warm up their car in cold climates). Aftermarket remote starts can't do that. LoJack is far better since it is a vehicle locator, not an alarm that no one will pay attention to.

But if that is what you want, then read the product descriptions for each product and learn the differences.

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I don't agree with you on the car alarm opinion, but that's all it is, is opinion. The Honda remote start is a piece of junk. You have to use the remote to open the doors and it then shuts the car off, which then requires you to stick the key in and restart the car. With a typical remote start, you just open the door, car stays running and then you stick the key in the ignition.

I'm primarily trying to find out which bypass units people are using and why. I've read the differences but am unsure what the advantages of the canmax are (does the door lock integration make any difference on a Honda).

My friend did installs for years but now does it on the side for friends and family so he's not up on the newest hardware and he isn't sure of what the benefits of the canmax system are and we are just trying to figure it out.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Personally, I think car alarms are a waste of money. Whenever anyone hears them, they go ignored. If a thief really wanted the car, they will get it even with an alarm. If you want remote start, Honda makes an OEM remote start that will even control the climate system (which is why people want them in the first place, to warm up their car in cold climates). Aftermarket remote starts can't do that. LoJack is far better since it is a vehicle locator, not an alarm that no one will pay attention to.

But if that is what you want, then read the product descriptions for each product and learn the differences.
I agree with you. That's all I am interested in and I just want to be able to start my car in cold weather before i get in it. Do you know how it controls the climate? And is this available in LX trim models?
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The CANMAX400 is the best option because it is a immobilizer bypass as well as door lock interface. Wiring is reduced significantly if you go the CANMAX route. I used it with my remote start install and only needed to hook up 7 wires. Both CANMAX models have the same function. The CANMAX400DEI docks into the remote start brain while the other is a separate unit. I have really looked into the advantages of on over the other.

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The canmax was not available to me through a retailer I get a discount at so I used a combo of the PKALL and the DLPK. The canmax is the best route though. I haven't had good luck with the canmax400dei. I would just use the canmax400.
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I agree with you. That's all I am interested in and I just want to be able to start my car in cold weather before i get in it. Do you know how it controls the climate? And is this available in LX trim models?
It is not available on the LX models. The remote has climate control buttons.
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I don't agree with you on the car alarm opinion, but that's all it is, is opinion. The Honda remote start is a piece of junk. You have to use the remote to open the doors and it then shuts the car off, which then requires you to stick the key in and restart the car. With a typical remote start, you just open the door, car stays running and then you stick the key in the ignition.

I'm primarily trying to find out which bypass units people are using and why. I've read the differences but am unsure what the advantages of the canmax are (does the door lock integration make any difference on a Honda).

My friend did installs for years but now does it on the side for friends and family so he's not up on the newest hardware and he isn't sure of what the benefits of the canmax system are and we are just trying to figure it out.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Keep in mind that most aftermarket remote start systems bypass the vehicle's immobilizer system making the car easier to steal. So make sure you shop smart to find the proper aftermarket unit that won't completely disable the immobilizer system.

I work in insurance claims and most cars stolen that had aftermarket remote start systems were so poorly done, the installer took the owners extra key and zip-tied it in the steering column to defeat the immobilizer. The thief had no idea, but the key in the column defeated the immobilizer so he could break the ignition with a screw driver and start it right up and drive away. Alarm was useless.

In So CA, alarm systems are worthless because they go off so often that no one pays attention to them, and 99% of the time, they are false alarms. Keep your interior spotless with no visible items and don't make your car look like an easy target.

Personally, I have never understood the need for a remote start. It isn't that hard to put the key in the ignition and turn it. I don't need to start the car from 50 feet away. If you can get the vehicle to drive to you and pick you up in a parking lot, then you might have something. But then, this isn't Knight Rider.
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It depends on what you want to do. The door locks, security system, door switches and others are controlled by or send data over the internal CAN bus. The Immobiliser Transponder Transceiver communicates with the ECU via a separate link in the Gen7; this may also be on the CAN in later models.

The CANMAX type of devices learns the ECU to Immobiliser unlock code and reinject this into the ECU to allow you to start the car without a key, not like crap systems that tape a second key transponder inside the column, which is a MAJOR security flaw.

This means is no wiring has to run from the driver door control unit and remote alarm/unlock receiver (inside the drivers arm rest). This is the most elegant system, however if the remote control unit for this system is not secure or is easily cracked or the remote start unit is not correctly set up to disable the running engine on forced entry of any kind then you compromise the Immobiliser and security of the car.

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I have a car remote that can control my accord via a controller. It picks me up and also talks to me.

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