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For the sake of this thread, let's say they are the same car, but let's not debate that. One is Acura, one is Honda. Both comes from Ohio (I know other plants make Accords also).

Acura suppose to have a higher level of quality. You can feel the difference, and you pay for the difference.

Does any of you own both?

1. Do the same problems on the Accord also apply to the TL?

2. Do workers care more on tightening that bolt on a TL vs a Accord? How is the build quality better? There is only one way to tighten a bolt. We can talk about engine, transmission, assembly, the parts and component pretty much come together side by side, if not the same parts.

I can't imagine one side of the assembly "really cares," and the other side sort of relax a bit.

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For the sake of this thread, let's say they are the same car, but let's not debate that. One is Acura, one is Honda. Both comes from Ohio (I know other plants make Accords also).

Acura suppose to have a higher level of quality. You can feel the difference, and you pay for the difference.

Does any of you own both?

1. Do the same problems on the Accord also apply to the TL?

2. Do workers care more on tightening that bolt on a TL vs a Accord? How is the build quality better? There is only one way to tighten a bolt. We can talk about engine, transmission, assembly, the parts and component pretty much come together side by side, if not the same parts.

I can't imagine one side of the assembly "really cares," and the other side sort of relax a bit.

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I think jigs and what not are prolly checked more often with Acura models.

Everything that is shared is the same Honda or Acura.

I think as for tolarances for tightening are all automated. A worker must be very lazey to skip or pull away before botoming bolts and such.

I have a few worker tools that are calibrated internally (nut drivers and drill clutches). So no worker can mis-align or adjust torq specs.


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When I got in my friend's Acura TL, it was a big difference in feel and amenities. The Accord, no matter if you get it with everything, felt pretty plain Jane after that. I still like the Accords; but, there is more thought and amenities in the Acura.
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well i feel that accords are very well built like an acura. however, the difference doesnt seem to be the labor, but the quality of the parts. I used to have a 2006 accord coupe and now i have a 2007 acura tl-s. i mean, like you said, theres only so many things the worker can do to put together the parts. however, on my acura tl, there is a lot more sound insulation, and less rattles. Also, the dash is more pleasing to look at because there are less "lines". The accord was good but it felt more like you can see that its pieced individually whereas the acura has a nice smooth and clean looking dash.

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one more thing with the acura is the name. doesnt matter what mods u have on an accord, an acura tl always has a better name. when people ask you what car you drive, "acura tl" always sounds better than "honda accord"

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For the sake of this thread, let's say they are the same car, but let's not debate that. One is Acura, one is Honda. Both comes from Ohio (I know other plants make Accords also).

Acura suppose to have a higher level of quality. You can feel the difference, and you pay for the difference.

Does any of you own both?

1. Do the same problems on the Accord also apply to the TL?

2. Do workers care more on tightening that bolt on a TL vs a Accord? How is the build quality better? There is only one way to tighten a bolt. We can talk about engine, transmission, assembly, the parts and component pretty much come together side by side, if not the same parts.

I can't imagine one side of the assembly "really cares," and the other side sort of relax a bit.

Comments?
Since I did own an Accord and currently own a TL i'll chime in with my observations and input.

I LOVED my Accord. Definately did not want to get ride of it but due to Colorado winters I was having a very hard time driving my V6-6 in the snow. I decided I'd try a SUV and purchased a 2010 Toyota 4Runner. It was a nice vehicle and did pretty good in the snow but I never really enjoyed driving it. So I purchased a 2011 TL SH-AWD. Best of both worlds.....most of all the things I loved about the Accord (front grill aside) now with AWD, more power, and more comfort.

1. There are similar issues that seem to creep up on both platforms. Few rattles here and there have been reported on the 2009 TL that seems to have been addressed. There doesn't seem to be nearly as many complants about rattles, body issues, and other problems. Then again there are far fewer Acuras build vs Hondas.

2. The one thing I did notice is that the car in general is tighter and put together better. While the Accord wasn't thrown together there was definate signs that they cut some corners to push the cars out quickly. The TL is definately put together better inside and out. But then again you are paying for it.


There is clearly a dramatic difference between a TL and an Accord but you are gonna pay for it. I suggest going to an Acura dealer and checking one out yourself. Now if Honda or Acura would just make a 2 door with SH-AWD (either turbo i-4 or V6) I would be in heaven. For now I love my TL and again enjoy driving.

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My parents both drive Acuras-my dad a TSX, and my mom an MDX. Comparing the Accord with the MDX isn't especially relevant, but it comparing it to the TSX certainly is. The big difference I've noticed is that, while the TSX is certainly tighter around the corners, the car feels a lot more numb then the Accord. The ride seems softer and there is definitely less road noise. There is also a noticeable difference in the quality of the materials used (which is not to say those in the Accord are poor-they are definitely higher quality than anything else in its class).

I remember reading somewhere that Lexus vehicles, receive, on average, 5 hours of quality control compared to 1 for a Toyota. I wouldn't be surprised if a difference also exists between Acura and Honda (although I doubt it is big a spread).

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well i feel that accords are very well built like an acura. however, the difference doesnt seem to be the labor, but the quality of the parts. I used to have a 2006 accord coupe and now i have a 2007 acura tl-s. i mean, like you said, theres only so many things the worker can do to put together the parts. however, on my acura tl, there is a lot more sound insulation, and less rattles. Also, the dash is more pleasing to look at because there are less "lines". The accord was good but it felt more like you can see that its pieced individually whereas the acura has a nice smooth and clean looking dash.

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I too had an Accord as most of you know me (look at my number of posts). And as far as quality this a strange one for me because even though my 08 TL was based on an Accord a generation older than my Accord I owned, It is sooo much more solid and planted. The suspension never gets "upset" if i hit a significant bump in the road. It just feels like it was crafted from a solid block of lead.

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Funny that the same European Honda Accord is sold in US (FOR dummies) as
OMG Acura TSX!!!!

Funny that I could not ask for manual shift car in my drivers' Ed in Highschool in US!!!!

Funny that there is a motivation in keeping Honda brand look bad to be able to sell any Acuras. Case in point: Manual Shift vs. Auto.

By the way, YOu all should be thankful to Honda that they have not gone away with auto trans for a CVT!!!!!
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Funny that the same European Honda Accord is sold in US (FOR dummies) as
OMG Acura TSX!!!!

Funny that I could not ask for manual shift car in my drivers' Ed in Highschool in US!!!!

Funny that there is a motivation in keeping Honda brand look bad to be able to sell any Acuras. Case in point: Manual Shift vs. Auto.

By the way, YOu all should be thankful to Honda that they have not gone away with auto trans for a CVT!!!!!
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What are you getting at, why are you asking this question? Are you now feeling like maybe you should have purchased a TL instead of an Accord?

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I too had an Accord as most of you know me (look at my number of posts). And as far as quality this a strange one for me because even though my 08 TL was based on an Accord a generation older than my Accord I owned, It is sooo much more solid and planted. The suspension never gets "upset" if i hit a significant bump in the road. It just feels like it was crafted from a solid block of lead.
I've got to concur. Crafted from a solid block of lead describes the Acura TL very well. Even older TLs behave that way. The car is simply solid.

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I drove a '96 Acura '96 3.2TL for 11 years. I now drive a 2010 Honda Accord LX. The TL cost $34K in 1995. The Accord cost less than $20K.

The TL' s handling (suspension and steering) was superior. The Accord handles good, but the Acura handling is best described in a single word - "solid".

The Acura's superior handling is the result of higher quality parts (more engineering, tighter specifications, better materials, higher $$$).

I am happy with the Accord because it cost $15-20K less to buy and has lower annual ownership costs (fuel, insurance, registration, maintainence, etc). I have simply made the decision that having a solid ride is not worth the extra cost when "good" is good enough.

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