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post #16 of 170 Old 12-26-2009, 09:46 AM
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I haven't driven a 335, but I also believe it must be a real treat to drive that car.
Not as much as a treat as the 135i. Quite a few guys here have traded their 335i for the 135i. The 135i is closer to the old M3 than the 335i is.


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Yes. My philosophy is that if you are going to enter the near luxury/luxury market, do it the right way, get a car that's worth the money. IMO, a BMW is supposed to have an upscale interior, well bolstered seats, provide the feeling of road connectivity and an engine that produces ample power. All those things should be part of the same package and once again, in my opinion, it shouldn't be packaged in any other way.

My only experience with BMW has been with a 325i. I remember driving it and I wasn't really impressed. I always assumed that the 330i or the 335i would have more substance, kind of like the 6 speed accord runs circles around all the other accords because it is, in a certain sense the complete package: nice/modestly upscale interior, provides the feeling of being connected to the road (not as much as a BMW, but more so then a toyota), and it has ample power.
Honestly BMW just doesnt design cars for you and you alone. I have driven both and the BMW is not that far from the Accord and it is even closer the the TL


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Slightly off topic, but I browsed Acura's website yesterday and looked at all of the info offered there for the TSX, TL and RL...... Honestly, I was really impressed.... Acura makes some sexy cars! and truly equips them nicely with refinement and technology....... I was really surprised to learn that they are the only luxury maker whose entire line was 5 star crash test rated for all of the tests......

As mentioned elsewhere in other threads, I def agree that the TLs before the current re-design look much better than the current design...... Nonetheless, I was more carried away by the RL.... that thing is a beast! and it looks so classy as well..... The only thing that really disappointed me about the RL was that there is no MT available!!! I would def love to have the AWD - especially as advanced a system that Acura offers..... I really have to say that that was the first time I looked closely at what Acura had to offer compared to BMW, Benz, etc.... Now it isn't so hard for me to "ignore" Acura and go straight to BMW or Benz when the time comes..... So, if I am ever high-rollin' enough, I would likely get the TL SH-AWD with MT!

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Nonetheless, I was more carried away by the RL.... that thing is a beast! and it looks so classy as well..... The only thing that really disappointed me about the RL was that there is no MT available!!!
There is no way the RL will ever have MT option, it's the same class as the Lexus LS430 or the Infiniti M35/45, people who buy these level of cars don't care to shift themselves.

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+1 you can compare what ever you want.
I guess my brother is a poser for having a cheap rear wheel luxury car.
I agree! You can compare whatever you want. Lexus doesn't want you to compare the ES to the V6 Camry, Acura doesn't want you to compare the TL to the V6 Accord, and BMW doesn't want you to compare the 328 to the V6Accord.

What bothers me is that many consumers fall for the notion that a BMW must be better than any Honda. I know that BMW makes good cars, and I'd rather have a 335i over a V6 accord, but don't for practical considerations. I also enjoyed driving the stick shift 328 but found the auto 328 to be rather boring.

However, I also had a blast test driving the MT V6 Accord coupe - probably more fun than the MT 328. But due to the fact wifey doesn't drive stick and doesn't want to ride in a MT car (due to the jerkiness when shifting gears), I settled for the auto accord.

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yeah they are similar but the bmw is a better car.. But it's deffinatly not worth the extra 10 grand.. the accord V6 is the best bang for your buck car on the road IMO.. And the good thing is, i dont see very much coupes where i live and i have yet to even seen a modded up one besides tints.. BMW's are everywhere and everyone knows what they are.. But with a modded up accord people will turn their heads and wonder what kind of car it is and thats always the best feeling.
"Better" is a subjective term.

BMW and Honda have been two of my favorite nameplates for years, but for different reasons. Both have built some beautiful, highly respected vehicles in their histories, though both are currently building some of (IMHO) the ugliest cars on the road. Both have got some bizarre ideas about interior ergonomics, Honda with more buttons than the helm of the Starship Enterprise and BMW with the iDrive system that every car magazine has slammed as overly complicated. They've also both built a reputation for strong, smooth engines in small packages, and great transmissions, especially their manuals.

Now BMW does put together some expensive-feeling vehicles with nice, upscale materials, and they've got the advantage of rear-wheel drive, something Honda seems to be allergic to, not counting the S2000 (FWD is good to have in smaller cars like the Civic, but it's more of a burden than a benefit in a heavy car like an Accord). But Hondas are also put together quite nicely, as well, at least for their price range, and their reliability numbers are much, much stronger than BMWs (what good is "the ultimate driving machine" if it's in the shop?).

If I had the money for a 335i or an M3, I might be tempted. But if all I can afford is a 328i, honestly, I think I'd rather spend the money on a TSX. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, I really think I'd enjoy the Acura more than a similarly priced Bimmer.

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"Better" is a subjective term.

BMW and Honda have been two of my favorite nameplates for years, but for different reasons. Both have built some beautiful, highly respected vehicles in their histories, though both are currently building some of (IMHO) the ugliest cars on the road. Both have got some bizarre ideas about interior ergonomics, Honda with more buttons than the helm of the Starship Enterprise and BMW with the iDrive system that every car magazine has slammed as overly complicated. They've also both built a reputation for strong, smooth engines in small packages, and great transmissions, especially their manuals.

Now BMW does put together some expensive-feeling vehicles with nice, upscale materials, and they've got the advantage of rear-wheel drive, something Honda seems to be allergic to, not counting the S2000 (FWD is good to have in smaller cars like the Civic, but it's more of a burden than a benefit in a heavy car like an Accord). But Hondas are also put together quite nicely, as well, at least for their price range, and their reliability numbers are much, much stronger than BMWs (what good is "the ultimate driving machine" if it's in the shop?).

If I had the money for a 335i or an M3, I might be tempted. But if all I can afford is a 328i, honestly, I think I'd rather spend the money on a TSX. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, I really think I'd enjoy the Acura more than a similarly priced Bimmer.
Great post! This is my 2nd Accord, and my family's 3rd. Our 2nd, 6th gen, had absolutely zero problems except for scheduled maintenance until about 74k miles when the A/C went bad (the point where we sold it).
Apart from one scheduled maintenance, I brought in my 328i once and was given another 328i as a loaner for 24hours - such service seems more dealer-specific as not every dealer is going to be that courteous (my dad got a 528i loaner for a week or so, when his 3 was in).

I don't have any statistics handy, but one problem I am aware of (once again, I'm not sure what percentage this affects) is that the 335i (the N54 turbo engine) has a HPFP (highpressure fuel pump) issue, where it'll fail and the car goes into "limp mode." BMW has added a 100,000 mile (if I'm correct) warranty that will replace the pump; still, you need to take your car to the dealer.
The new high-end drivetrain in the 2012 3-series will feature a twin-scroll single turbo; which I can only assume alleviates the problem of the current twin-turbo - just a guess
I read about it a lot on bimmerfest forums, but the people on that site are a biased group (just like we at DA.net are), and not necessarily representative of all BMW drivers. So, I have no percentages/statistics

The old iDrive was a bit of a pain as many car mags have noted, the new iDrive is a marked improvement, but many people still complain. Reading other forum posts and messing with the old iDrive in a 528i, I don't think either system requires a graduate degree in engineering to use properly - just sit down with the machine for a while and tinker; that's how I learn all my electronics, tinker with it.

Between the 328i and the TSX, I'd still take the 328i. The TSX at it's lightest is 3400lb's (4-cyl MT), 3664lb on the V6; 3362lb on the BMW (I6, 6sp MT). The TSX is down 29hp and 28lb-ft of torque, the BMW reaches peak torque at a lower RPM too - BUT, the V6 has more hp/tq than the BMW (with a heavier car and FWD, I don't know how that plays out). The TSX is nearly 60/40% biased, probably because of FWD, whereas the BMW is near 50/50.
Car mag articles (and we all know how those are) tend to give praise to BMW's "road feel," and comparing my LX-S to the 3, it's definitely not the same (totally different cars I know), so I'm guessing the TSX's isn't that much closer to BMW.

I'm NOT bashing the TSX! Compared to the current-gen TL and previos-gen TSX, I really do like the TSX; it looks phenomenal (unlike the new TL, ew ew ew).
But, like nolefan32 said, you want the most enjoyment out of your car, and if that's car A, who cares how the numbers on paper compare to car B?
I know I sound like a total BMW-fanboy drinking the Kool-Aid, but I'm trying to be objective and only sprinkle my posts with subjective-opinions.

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Depends on which 328i you got.

The base E9x without sports package are only so so in terms of handling dynamic. Probably on par with more sportier Accord V6 manual coupe.

With sports package, the 328i handles pretty decent. Although too heavy and felt to big for my taste. But it will out handle the accord with ease.

Personally I actually don't like the E9X series other than the M3 (even in M3 form- which my wife has one now). I still feel that the new M3 has lost a step in agility as compare to E46 M3. The car is too mature.

That is why i went with a 135i with M sports package and manual. Much more fun to toss around.

As far as the original topic. Having driven the new accord coupe before, the car is not a 3 series good. Close when compare to low end 328k with base suspension. Given the choice, i will still take the 328i over accord. Honda quality and busy interior to me is suspect.
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Honestly some people are willing to pay that few grand more just to not get that star ship enterprise dash in the accord, or the funky steering wheel. Maybe the that was one of the cheapest rear wheel drive luxury cars. My brother has a 3 series and has it just for the weekend because he drives the company truck. He bought this car because it was cheap came in the funky a$$ color combo he wanted and he has always wanted one since he was a kid (along with a viper).

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i dont care about the performance more so about the body style and regardless if its a 328, the 3 series body design blows the Accord out of the water. At certain angles, the new 8th generation looks fugly but the 3 series looks sexy at every possible angle






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I don;t care for the straight lines if the BMW interior or the Leatherette vinyl "expensive materials my ass". I see the BMW 3 series as an overpriced Honda Accord for people who must wear their "perceived success" on their sleeve and will pay handsomely for the privilege and "adoration" from those who don;t know any better and whose "value system" is highly suspect. I do not see $12K in the car over the Honda and it doesn't ride worth a crap. Very hard. Every extra is ala cart. BMW is a LEASE car not a purchase. You don't want to own a BMW out of MANUFACTURER Warranty.



Unless you just have to be "seen" in a BMW for whatever self aggrandizing reasons, I would pass or get the far better, faster, quieter, bang for the buck lower on the ostentatious rung Infiniti G37 instead.

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i dont care about the performance more so about the body style and regardless if its a 328, the 3 series body design blows the Accord out of the water. At certain angles, the new 8th generation looks fugly but the 3 series looks sexy at every possible angle


Not even close...Accord wins...BMW looks like every other car....It does not LOOK like a "BMW" It could be mistaken for a Mazda or a lot of cars
No car has the lines of the Accord Coupe from any angle. and from the front, Not even the Sedan!!

To think the BMW looks "sexier" or "BMWish" reeks of someone with "Beemer envy" I would say buy one and get it out of your system. You WILL get it out of your system.

As an aside describing a car as "sexy" is curious to me... I do not get the slighest tingle in the nether region looking at ANY car.........I cannot equate a car to a woman on ANY level. But perhaps some had big car posters in their bedrooms growing up while others had real women pin ups.

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I was waiting for this thread to become a "BMW is a yuppie car bought by people who want the status..."...it was just a matter of time....it always turns this way....

What crap - the BMW is a better car in all repsects - paint, engine and suspension -

but it better be, for what you pay.......

why compare them? they are not on the same price ladder....


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I was waiting for this thread to become a "BMW is a yuppie car bought by people who want the status..."...it was just a matter of time....it always turns this way....

What crap - the BMW is a better car in all repsects - paint, engine and suspension -

but it better be, for what you pay.......

why compare them? they are not on the same price ladder....
I'll give you in most respects, the BMW wins, but not all respects. Read Consumer Reports' reviews of Honda cars vs BMWs; BMW doesn't have nearly the strength of reliability ratings that the Honda does. Not even close. And while Honda does trail the BMW in pretty much every other way, they aren't as far behind in those areas as one might think, especially given the price difference. Maybe reliability doesn't matter to you, but it does to me - I buy a car because I want to drive it, not so that I can keep a mechanic gainfully employed, and like I said in my previous post, what good is "the ultimate driving machine" when it's in the shop? I also don't care about BMWs warranty covering the repairs - even when a repair is fully covered, you have to give up your car for them to do the repairs, and I'd rather not if I didn't have to.

FYI, when I said in my previous post about enjoying the Acura TSX more than the BMW, I meant based on the law of averages - I'd enjoy the TSX almost as much as the BMW, but a lot more often.


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