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post #16 of 30 Old 08-10-2015, 01:47 PM
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Yeah dude. Don't reuse old plugs. These engines are sensitive enough. If you're smart enough to be able to swap them yourself, invest the $11 a pop and get new ones.

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Pretty sure modern plugs say not to do this.
Just to clarify, I have never personally reused spark plugs but I had heard of people cleaning and reusing plugs.


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Just to clarify, I have never personally reused spark plugs but I had heard of people cleaning and reusing plugs.
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Looks like they say you can clean it but there's a risk of damaging the electrode if you get aggressive with a metal bristle brush. They also say it doesn't return them to 100% either. If I was killing plugs regularly, I would switch to cheapo <$8 copper plugs and swap them frequently rather than spending the elbow grease cleaning them. (or just fix the underlying problem that's fouling the plugs )

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Looks like they say you can clean it but there's a risk of damaging the electrode if you get aggressive with a metal bristle brush. They also say it doesn't return them to 100% either. If I was killing plugs regularly, I would switch to cheapo <$8 copper plugs and swap them frequently rather than spending the elbow grease cleaning them. (or just fix the underlying problem that's fouling the plugs )
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I work at a Honda dealership (in detail) and I have noticed over the past 3 to 4 months we have done a lot of re-rings in Accord, Odyssey and Pilot's. We're a small dealership and at one point had 3 in the shop at the same time. As the OP has stated, we start with a software update and when it comes back (not if), we do a re-ring. Talking with other techs about the problem, they say the re-ring is a temporary band-aid and eventually the car will exhibit the same problems again. I know a lot of people on this site are more worried about the 4 cylinders being problematic but in my year of working at the dealership I've never seen a 8th Generation 4 cylinder Accord in our shop with oil consumption issues as bad as the V6. I've seen a couple that burn a little bit of oil but that's it.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a 2008-2012 Accord V6 without an extended warranty because of the engine issues. My 4 cylinder has burned 1/2 a quart in over 5k miles of driving which I consider more than acceptable. Re-ring is expensive out of warranty but I know we have done them on cars with as high as 120k miles so at least Honda is doing something.
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I work at a Honda dealership (in detail) and I have noticed over the past 3 to 4 months we have done a lot of re-rings in Accord, Odyssey and Pilot's. We're a small dealership and at one point had 3 in the shop at the same time. As the OP has stated, we start with a software update and when it comes back (not if), we do a re-ring. Talking with other techs about the problem, they say the re-ring is a temporary band-aid and eventually the car will exhibit the same problems again. I know a lot of people on this site are more worried about the 4 cylinders being problematic but in my year of working at the dealership I've never seen a 8th Generation 4 cylinder Accord in our shop with oil consumption issues as bad as the V6. I've seen a couple that burn a little bit of oil but that's it.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a 2008-2012 Accord V6 without an extended warranty because of the engine issues. My 4 cylinder has burned 1/2 a quart in over 5k miles of driving which I consider more than acceptable. Re-ring is expensive out of warranty but I know we have done them on cars with as high as 120k miles so at least Honda is doing something.
Would Honda do a re-ring job based on current spark plug condition (see pictures in the beginning) without CEL for misfire?
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Would Honda do a re-ring job based on current spark plug condition (see pictures in the beginning) without CEL for misfire?
They'd need to do the oil consumption test.

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Would Honda do a re-ring job based on current spark plug condition (see pictures in the beginning) without CEL for misfire?
The only time we preform a re-ring is when the car has already had the software update applied and the symptoms come back.

Honda changed how VCM worked in the 2013+ Accord's and so far no issues have been reported with it's system. In fact I think the 2013+ Accord's are better built cars than the 8th, but not as nicely finished and built as the 7th Generation.

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The only time we preform a re-ring is when the car has already had the software update applied and the symptoms come back.

Honda changed how VCM worked in the 2013+ Accord's and so far no issues have been reported with it's system. In fact I think the 2013+ Accord's are better built cars than the 8th, but not as nicely finished and built as the 7th Generation.
In my case, Honda did software update. It is obvious that misfire will happen again and it is just a matter of time.
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I work at a Honda dealership (in detail) and I have noticed over the past 3 to 4 months we have done a lot of re-rings in Accord, Odyssey and Pilot's. We're a small dealership and at one point had 3 in the shop at the same time. As the OP has stated, we start with a software update and when it comes back (not if), we do a re-ring. Talking with other techs about the problem, they say the re-ring is a temporary band-aid and eventually the car will exhibit the same problems again. I know a lot of people on this site are more worried about the 4 cylinders being problematic but in my year of working at the dealership I've never seen a 8th Generation 4 cylinder Accord in our shop with oil consumption issues as bad as the V6. I've seen a couple that burn a little bit of oil but that's it.
So even after a software flash and a re-ring, you're saying the engine would still encounter the same issue down the road? There's is no complete solution/repair? It's hard to imagine Honda designing an engine they use on multiple platforms with a misfire/oil consumption issue that cannot be solved.
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So even after a software flash and a re-ring, you're saying the engine would still encounter the same issue down the road? There's is no complete solution/repair? It's hard to imagine Honda designing an engine they use on multiple platforms with a misfire/oil consumption issue that cannot be solved.
From what I was told by a few technicians it's possible that it can come back again. I will ask again tomorrow to clarify if that's what they said so I'm not spreading false information.

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From what I was told by a few technicians it's possible that it can come back again. I will ask again tomorrow to clarify if that's what they said so I'm not spreading false information.
Thanks for the inside info, ryrannell2003! I was very interested in buying a Honda Certified 2012 V6 EX-L, but this VCM issue is scaring me. A dealer i spoke with said the re-ring is the fix and a car I am/was interested in was "fixed" by it.

Were you able to get an answer on whether the re-rings have been successful at eliminating the problem permanently? Any new info would be very helpful. Thanks!
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So I asked my friend at the dealer today about the problem and he told me that the re-ring is NOT a permanent solution to the problem... only a band-aid at this point. However he did tell me when he was at training a few months ago a Honda engineer told him they are investigating the problem to find a final solution. The good news is that Honda is covering high mileage cars; we have a 2011 Accord V6 in the shop right now with 200k miles and Honda is covering the re-ring.

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I made a visit to a dealer and show a service guy these pictures. He agreed that problem is still there and a misfire definitely will happen again but they can do nothing without CEL stating code for this. Also, I noted to him that oil consumption is about 2 qt per 7500 miles and he replied that less than 1 qt per 1000 mile is normal according to Honda.
One night couple weeks ago I stopped on red light and engine started to vibrate like a misfire happened but it lasted for about 1.5-2 seconds and went away.
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So I asked my friend at the dealer today about the problem and he told me that the re-ring is NOT a permanent solution to the problem... only a band-aid at this point. However he did tell me when he was at training a few months ago a Honda engineer told him they are investigating the problem to find a final solution. The good news is that Honda is covering high mileage cars; we have a 2011 Accord V6 in the shop right now with 200k miles and Honda is covering the re-ring.
Honda will cover 08-12 V6 Accords with misfire issues, excessive oil consumption, and premature spark plug failures for 8 years/unlimited mileage as long as the misfire generates DTC P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304, or a combination of those DTC's together.

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