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post #1 of 14 Old 03-28-2013, 08:17 PM Thread Starter
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Went to my Honda dealer today to help my son buy his first new car, a Civic LX Automatic. Interestingly our salesperson, and the finanance guy, each had a quart of Honda Genuine Full Syn 0W20 on their desks. I asked why and they said they have switched away from Honda Genuine Syn Blend 0W20 and now only offer the HG Full Syn 0W20.

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Honda actually sells a 0W-20 synthetic blend.


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The reason they did that? Very simple answer, really. They make a lot more money selling synthetic oil changes. At most dealers, a synthetic oil change is $40.00 to $50.00 more than the 'regular' oil change.

Since the great majority of Honda owners will follow the MM and return to the dealer for an oil change at 15%, Honda dealers don't sell as many oil changes as a Nissan dealer, Nissan tries to convince their customers to change oil and filter every 3750 miles. It makes no difference to the average motorist, they will be told that their Honda NEEDS synthetic oil to run better/last longer/get better gas mileage. Most owners will blindly pay the extra cost of the oil change, and never think twice about it.

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mobil 1 full synthetic extended range is what I use for 25 bucks for a 5 quart bottle at walmart and do the oil change myself
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It's called dealer profit margin through up sale.

I shudder to think how much I have saved over the years by doing a lot of the work on the car myself.

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The reason they did that? Very simple answer, really. They make a lot more money selling synthetic oil changes. At most dealers, a synthetic oil change is $40.00 to $50.00 more than the 'regular' oil change.

Since the great majority of Honda owners will follow the MM and return to the dealer for an oil change at 15%, Honda dealers don't sell as many oil changes as a Nissan dealer, Nissan tries to convince their customers to change oil and filter every 3750 miles. It makes no difference to the average motorist, they will be told that their Honda NEEDS synthetic oil to run better/last longer/get better gas mileage. Most owners will blindly pay the extra cost of the oil change, and never think twice about it.

Of course, Mensa candidates as we are on this forum know better.
How does the owner's manual read on the new Hondas? Do they list any viscosity other than 0W20 as permissible? It may be an upsale on older models but required on the newer ones to maintain warranty. I'm not sure which is why I'm asking what the manual says specifically.
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From the 2013 Accord Owner's manual, page 501.

Recommended Engine Oil
Oil is a major contributor to your engine's performance and longevity. If you drive the vehicle with insufficient or deteriorated oil, the engine may fail or be damaged.
This seal indicates the oil is energy conserving and that it meets the American Petroleum Institute’s latest requirements.

Use a Genuine Honda Motor Oil or another commercial engine oil of suitable viscosity for the ambient temperature as shown.

The graph shows only 0W-20 for all temperature ranges.

■ Synthetic oil
You may also use synthetic motor oil if it is labeled with the API Certification Seal and is the specified viscosity grade.

• Genuine Honda Motor Oil

• Premium-grade 0W-20 detergent oil with an API Certification Seal on the container

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Interesting to see the push to a 0W20 oil on the Hondas (although I guess i need to look at the new TL and MDX to see what they call for), as in the "old days" 0W20 was what you used if you were in Alaska or something for really cold starts. But that being said, I've exclusively used synthetic blend oils in my cars for close to 2 decades now, and never had an issue even at the 7K OCI's that Honda tends to call for these days. I buy it at WalMart - typically the 5W20 Motorcraft Syn Blend - but given the need for 0W20 I'd see whether there's a Valvoline or Castrol variant available. But I agree that if you want to spend the extra bucks on full syn 0W20, then WalMart Mobil1 jugs are by far the best buy. Dealer costs (even independent shops) for full syn oil changes are obscene.....

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My '04 2.4l went on a steady diet of Mobil 1 0W20 from the first oil change around 3500 miles. That's all it ever got.

Sounds like that's what to use with the new ones also.....or any other 0W20 that meets the specs.
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But I agree that if you want to spend the extra bucks on full syn 0W20, then WalMart Mobil1 jugs are by far the best buy. Dealer costs (even independent shops) for full syn oil changes are obscene.....

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I can get a quart of Mobile1 5w20 full synthetic for 7.95 a quart at Target. I then bring it to my trusty indie shop to have them change it for me for $15 (including a filter). I believe I can get it done at my dealer for $60 everything included. Not cheap, but it doesn't really cost that much more, especially considering the longer OCI you get with synthetic oil.

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How does the owner's manual read on the new Hondas? Do they list any viscosity other than 0W20 as permissible? It may be an upsale on older models but required on the newer ones to maintain warranty. I'm not sure which is why I'm asking what the manual says specifically.
Much like the 2013, my 2011 also calls for 0w20.

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The reason they did that? Very simple answer, really. They make a lot more money selling synthetic oil changes. At most dealers, a synthetic oil change is $40.00 to $50.00 more than the 'regular' oil change.

Since the great majority of Honda owners will follow the MM and return to the dealer for an oil change at 15%, Honda dealers don't sell as many oil changes as a Nissan dealer, Nissan tries to convince their customers to change oil and filter every 3750 miles. It makes no difference to the average motorist, they will be told that their Honda NEEDS synthetic oil to run better/last longer/get better gas mileage. Most owners will blindly pay the extra cost of the oil change, and never think twice about it.

Of course, Mensa candidates as we are on this forum know better.
I don't know. I actually think full synthetic isn't a bad idea if the cost is legit. It costs $30 ~ 40 per change for regular oil changes where I live and that is usually good for 3,000 miles. With an additional $10~20, I can get the full synthetic, which better protects the engine and gives longer OCI (5000-6000). It doesn't seem that much more costly to me?
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I buy full synthetic oil on-line. I use 5W-20 Kendall GT-1 with liquid titanium.
60 bucks including shipping for 12 quarts from Petroleum Service Company.
Can't beat that!

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Do they really charge $60 for a synthetic oil change?

I use $10 / qt Redline 0w20, and even with a PureOne filter, changing it myself costs $50.

$60 would be robbery without a gun, because you know they aren't using anything more than bottom of the barrel oil.

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The dealership I go to charges $32.50 for A Service (Oil change, 19 pt inspection, tire pressure, check updates/recalls). $39.95 for 0W-20.

They also have a $5 off coupon but if you are a repeat customer you get 10% off. I don't think you can combine. I don't have a printer so I haven't bothered with the coupon.

Just wanted to throw that out for price comparisons. Next time I'm up there I'll ask what kind of oil they use.

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