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Oil change 0w 20 substitute or no?

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The 2012 Accord EX manual says 0w 20, and oil change questions and issues have been razed to the ground, but what about the dealers who do oil change?

Firestone does Kendall GT-1
Quick Lane does Motorcraft Synthetic Blend
Goodyear does Valvoline Fullsyn

Can I just go to any one of these and do the oil change? None of these oils are the specified "0w 20" but have slight variations of it. Will it be okay for my car to take one of these different viscosities? I'm not sure if I can trust the dealers with putting in the exact oil prescribed for my car.

My local Honda dealer ****S big time and hence not going there.

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Hello

The 2012 Accord EX manual says 0w 20, and oil change questions and issues have been razed to the ground, but what about the dealers who do oil change?

Firestone does Kendall GT-1
Quick Lane does Motorcraft Synthetic Blend
Goodyear does Valvoline Fullsyn

Can I just go to any one of these and do the oil change? None of these oils are the specified "0w 20" but have slight variations of it. Will it be okay for my car to take one of these different viscosities? I'm not sure if I can trust the dealers with putting in the exact oil prescribed for my car.

My local Honda dealer ****S big time and hence not going there.

Any ideas?
Any 0W-20 or 5W-20 synthetic blend or full synthetic should do fine, if you change the oil and filter regularly.


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If by Valvoline Fullsyn you mean Valvoline SynPower, it does come in 0w-20.

The same goes for Kendall GT-1. Kendall's GT-1 comes in a full synthetic as well as synthetic blend. Full synthetic does come in 0w-20 but synthetic blend does not so you'll have to use 5w-20 which will be fine.

Motorcraft Synthetic Blend doesn't offer a 0w-20 yet, but 5w-20 will work fine as well.

Just be sure to request the 0w-20 weight if it's available.

Or better yet, just buy your own oil and filter for $25-$30 (and often times less with rebates), bring it into a Honda dealer or mechanic of your choice and pay them $10 to change it for you and be done with it.
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Oil change 0w 20 substitute or no?

Yes they are specified if you ask for the weight ow20. 0 is only a full synthetic so the valvoline syn power place and Firestone would both be 0w20. Kendall is produced by ConocoPhillips which makes the honda oem oil so there kind of like "cousins". The motorcraft is also made by ConocoPhillips and is a cousin to the honda blend 5/20. Either would be okay but all Hondas from 2013 back to 04 are reverse compatible to 0 I would go for that if your going to keep it a long time and if you can get a good rice on the change
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I don't know about the 2012 but Honda states to use 0w20 in the 2013 accord. Honda does not say, as far as I can see, that 5w20 is OK for the 2013. I would verify the oil they are using for a 2013 is 0w20.

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Actually Honda sells a 0W20 that is a synthetic blend. That has been discussed here ad nauseum. Stating that it only comes in full synthetic is incorrect.
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I don't know about the 2012 but Honda states to use 0w20 in the 2013 accord. Honda does not say, as far as I can see, that 5w20 is OK for the 2013. I would verify the oil they are using for a 2013 is 0w20.
5w-20 is fine. That's what they recommended from 2008-2010. The key is the upper number, not the lower number. So long as you have 20 weight oil at operating temperature bearing clearances are good. You can use heavier if wanted. Just don't use 10w or 15w racing oil, you risk bearing wear.

0w-20 is best from a fuel economy and power point of view. For the money, I'd say go with Amsoil or Royal Purple or Mobil 1 AFE and do your own oil changes every 10 to 15 thousand miles. You will save a ton of money that way. They even make pumps now that will let you pull the oil from the top instead of having to get underneath the car, and you can buy filter relocation kits that will let you mount the filter high so you can change that from the top as well. If you do the extended intervals be sure to get a top quality filter, preferably with full synthetic filter material for durability, or possibly a billet oil filter.

Changing your own oil is easy and, if done right, saves you a ton of bux over time.

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I recently used 5w-30 in my car and it feels slower..I will go back to 0w-20 soon

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I'm not sure if I can trust the dealers with putting in the exact oil prescribed for my car.
If you can't trust a dealer then why would you trust one of the other places you mentioned?

0W20 and 5W20 synthetic oils are interchangeable unless you live in Alaska or the Arctic. The "0" designation will flow slightly faster at extremely cold temperatures.

That same engine is sold in parts of the world that have no access at all to 20 viscosity oils so don't sweat it. If it really bothers you then do as others have said.....go buy what you want at a store and pay someone to put it in.
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That same engine is sold in parts of the world that have no access at all to 20 viscosity oils so don't sweat it.
Excellent point.

We probably get the 0W-20 oil to help get better MPG (better for marketing), and meet the EPA's CAFE numbers.
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Actually Honda sells a 0W20 that is a synthetic blend. That has been discussed here ad nauseum. Stating that it only comes in full synthetic is incorrect.
Yes true but I meant store bought I don't know of a 0 blend
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I don't know about the 2012 but Honda states to use 0w20 in the 2013 accord. Honda does not say, as far as I can see, that 5w20 is OK for the 2013. I would verify the oil they are using for a 2013 is 0w20.
Manual states that 5w20 can be used also.
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Manual states that 5w20 can be used also.
From the Honda.com website: 2012 Honda Accord Owners Manual

2012 Accord Sedan page 344

Recommended Engine Oil
Oil is a major contributor to your engine’s performance and longevity.
Always use a premium-grade 0W-20 detergent oil displaying the API Certification Seal. This seal indicates the oil is energy conserving, and that
it meets the American Petroleum Institute’s latest requirements.

Page 345
The oil viscosity or weight is provided on the container’s label. 0W-20 oil is formulated for year round protection of your vehicle to improve cold weather starting and fuel economy.

The temperature chart from -20 to 100F only shows 0W-20, no where does it mention 5W-20.

The Oil Weight sticky in this section of the forum shows that from 2011 model year and up recommends 0W-20 oil.

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I recently used 5w-30 in my car and it feels slower..I will go back to 0w-20 soon
I feel really fat after drinking 1% milk instead of the skim milk. My stomach must be as sensitive to quick weight gain as your perception of speed.

I don't seen any issue using 0W-20 or 5W-20 or 5W-30. Have yet to see any engine issue or failure because I did not use 0W-20. If Honda tells you to use only 100% nitrogen air, I suppose people will make scientific justifications for such and will claim that their cars are not performing as well.
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I feel really fat after drinking 1% milk instead of the skim milk. My stomach must be as sensitive to quick weight gain as your perception of speed.

I don't seen any issue using 0W-20 or 5W-20 or 5W-30. Have yet to see any engine issue or failure because I did not use 0W-20. If Honda tells you to use only 100% nitrogen air, I suppose people will make scientific justifications for such and will claim that their cars are not performing as well.
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