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post #1 of 29 Old 06-02-2009, 08:23 PM Thread Starter
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Basic Oil Check Question (Gen7)

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Got my oil changed today. Checked oil level when I got home. The end of my oil stick(cable) has :

[ |XXXXXX| RCA ]----------------------------[]

My oil level was up to the 'A' above. I presume the oil level should be in the 'X' frame ? Anyone know what 'RCA' stands for ?

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If you're up to the "A" on the oil reading, there's about 1/2 quart to 3/4 quart too much oil added.

I had the same oil overfill problem after I handed the dealer a 5 qt jug of Mobil 1. The mechanic likely just poured the whole jug in without checking the level first since the manual says you only need 4.3 qt.

I'm obsessive compulsive, so I used a clean siphon pump to siphon the excess oil out the oil dipstick hole.

There's many posts warning about overfilling oil ... from causing excess oil pressure and pushing oil past seals ... to .... the crank making contact with the too-high oil level and frothing it so that the oil pump can't quite pump the frothy oil.

But I think it's fine. I imagine this kind of thing must happen countless times to people who don't change their own oil. Most people don't check the oil level after an oil change and wouldn't even know.

If you're worried, you could siphon it out like I did .... $14 for the hand operated siphon pump at Autozone / Kragen. Or the exact same pump for $6 at a Harborfreight Tools if you're near one.

P.S. No idea what RCA means. ...


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On both of my V6's, I've only used nothing but the 5 quart jug of M1 EP 5W-30. This is with a new oil filter and have never had a problem. I think the factory rating is about 4.5 quarts. half a quart over is OK.

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You shouldn't be checking oil on an engine that has been running. You need to let it sit for a little so that all the splashing of oil stops so you can get at true-er reading. If i were you, I would check the oil level on level ground after the car has been sitting for about an hour.

Also, .5 quart over is Ok. Nothing to worry about.

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On both of my V6's, I've only used nothing but the 5 quart jug of M1 EP 5W-30. This is with a new oil filter and have never had a problem. I think the factory rating is about 4.5 quarts. half a quart over is OK.
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Educate me ... Does temp ( cold weather vs. hot weather ) require more or less oil ?
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I put 4.4L in mine and it's also above "A"

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You shouldn't be checking oil on an engine that has been running. You need to let it sit for a little so that all the splashing of oil stops so you can get at true-er reading. If i were you, I would check the oil level on level ground after the car has been sitting for about an hour.

Also, .5 quart over is Ok. Nothing to worry about.
I would concur with poster. I did the same shit with my ATF when I did my first D&F ATF Drain and FIll and it's just an obsessive compulsive thing with me ever since. I also had my oil overfilled DELIBERATELY by the brazen fraud service department. Well this service department went thru new management and got better but still, people's oils ver being overfilled and it was written pplainly on the wall as 4.8 or 5.2 quarts on one that requires 4.4 quarts!!

You'll be fine. The explanation the service dept used to give me for complaining was that it helps in Houston's high heat and hig humidity climate which tends to burn off oil. Bullshit. But I can see now that they are probably overfilling in case oil burns off which now that I think about it, it does burn off a few ounces..holy smokes.

so yeah you got nothing to worry about and in fact give your car some 'insurance' for the times the oil shears or burns out from your 'high intense' application!
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The type of weather has no bearing on how much oil to use.

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Many of Honda's older (four-cylinder) engines "spec" for 3.7 quarts, with a filter replacement. My factory service manual clearly states that 4.0 quarts "after rebuild" is perfectly fine.

I've always run 4.0 quarts in my trusty '86...some 16 (sixteen) years now...with absolutely no problems. As noted above, a SLIGHT overage likely won't harm anything. I've never even replaced its PCV valve...where some system blowoff inevitably occurs.

However, a significant overage CAN cause a "rope effect" as the oil winds around the crankshaft, especially in an engine with no windage tray underneath the crank. Thus, on my '02, I run the oil level EXACTLY on the top mark of the dipstick. NO farther or less.

Not sure if the earlier "J-Series" engines feature a windage tray. Never had my (cast aluminum) oil pan off to look. (Knowing Honda, I suspect it does.) I'll see what it shows in the parts book...
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The type of weather has no bearing on how much oil to use.
What about terrain ? As in, hills, curves, and curve-hills
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What about terrain ? As in, hills, curves, and curve-hills
Let me put it this way...

Regardless of the weather, the type of driving or road conditions, you should always put in the same amount of motor oil when doing oil changes... enough so that the oil level is between min and max on the dipstick.

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I put 4.4L in mine and it's also above "A"
OK ... very interesting ... my feeble math says you are putting in - 4.649428124 quarts, which is only 0.149428124 quarts above the 4.5 spec ... which should not put you past the "A" ... maybe you should only be slightly above the max line ? Is your vehicle an 07-V6 ?
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I would never exceed the max mark on the dipstick. It can cause damage to the emission control system.

On the Prius forum, people who overfill the engine oil have discovered that it negatively impacts fuel economy.
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You shouldn't be checking oil on an engine that has been running.
He never said he checked his oil with the engine running. I agree, it is not overfilled.
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He never said he checked his oil with the engine running. I agree, it is not overfilled.
Correct. Thanks. I waited an hour, then waited overnight -- both readings are the same - oil up to the "A" in the "RCA" on the stick. I presume that is in range.

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