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post #1 of 54 Old 07-03-2017, 12:22 PM Thread Starter
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Will the 10th gen hybrid become available in 2018 or 2019?

Is it known whether there will be a hybrid available the first year or only the second year onward the way the 9gen hybrid came in 2014?


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Seems like someone mentioned in one of the release articles that there will be. No other info thus far. The lack of a V6 and moving to turbos has dominated all the conversation so far.

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To the mod who (rudely) edited the title and my post, the question isn't whether there will be a hybrid. Everyone who's following the 10th gen knows there will be. It's whether it will be available the first year or only released in 2019, the way the 9gen hybrid was released in 2014. Thanks.

I have changed the title and op to be more specific about the question.
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I do not think there will be a Accord Hybrid. That's why the Clarity is getting a FC, EV and Hybrid version. The Clarity will be where to go for a Honda midsize hybrid.
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I do not think there will be a Accord Hybrid. That's why the Clarity is getting a FC, EV and Hybrid version. The Clarity will be where to go for a Honda midsize hybrid.
I thought that too but it was among the three powertrain options Honda announced for the 10th gen Accord.

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I thought that too but it was among the three powertrain options Honda announced for the 10th gen Accord.

I've read (haven't bookmarked) a few articles mentioning slightly more torque in the new accord hybrid so it sure seemed to them that the accord hybrid had already been detailed so I'd imagine it would be very close to the same release date as the non-hybrid.
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2018 Hybrid availability

I think few other users are also looking at the 2018 hybrid. Only one salesman so far was able to give detailed availability timeframe. He said in training they were originally told Feb release, but district manager has now revised release date to maybe after the Chicago autoshow, so late Feb/ early March.

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Everything I saw said 1st quarter in 2018, the website says "available early 2018". I'd really like to know the price but there's been nothing on that.

This ain't Mazda promising a diesel CX-5, people have driven the car.

And, seriously, over-moderate much?
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To the mod who (rudely) edited the title and my post, the question isn't whether there will be a hybrid. Everyone who's following the 10th gen knows there will be. It's whether it will be available the first year or only released in 2019, the way the 9gen hybrid was released in 2014. Thanks.

I have changed the title and op to be more specific about the question.
I saw the change, and I don't agree that it was rude.

I have seen plenty of rude, but this wasn't it.

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I saw the change, and I don't agree that it was rude.

I have seen plenty of rude, but this wasn't it.
He's changed the title multiple times. The post you've quoted from 5 months ago isn't related to the current one. But there are more important things in life to give mental energy to than the heavy handed (and often poor) moderation on an internet forum.
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If EPA numbers are 55/50/53, I'm skipping the 10AT and postponing my electric car purchase!

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If EPA numbers are 55/50/53, I'm skipping the 10AT and postponing my electric car purchase!
I don't know if it'll be a 10% bump, but should be a decent improvement. On paper the output is the same but efficiency should be better.

-Biggest one is that new chemistry allows the battery to operate over a wider state of charge range, so engine will run less.

-Engine compression ratio has been bumped from 13:1 to 13.5:1. The 2.0L engine in the hybrid already had one of the highest thermal efficiencies of any production engine in the world, now at 40% from 38.9% in 2017. Engine also produces peak torque 500rpm sooner now, so more changes than just compression ratio.

-2018 Hybrid is 100+ lbs lighter than 2017

-2018 Accord has 3% less drag than 2017, which is a lot

-Electric motors are smaller now, probably more efficient.
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I don't know if it'll be a 10% bump, but should be a decent improvement. On paper the output is the same but efficiency should be better.

-Biggest one is that new chemistry allows the battery to operate over a wider state of charge range, so engine will run less.

-Engine compression ratio has been bumped from 13:1 to 13.5:1. The 2.0L engine in the hybrid already had one of the highest thermal efficiencies of any production engine in the world, now at 40% from 38.9% in 2017. Engine also produces peak torque 500rpm sooner now, so more changes than just compression ratio.

-2018 Hybrid is 100+ lbs lighter than 2017

-2018 Accord has 3% less drag than 2017, which is a lot

-Electric motors are smaller now, probably more efficient.
The base 2018 Camry Hybrid with Li-on does hit 53 MPG, maybe in city driving.

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The base 2018 Camry Hybrid with Li-on does hit 53 MPG, maybe in city driving.
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Only base Camry gets the Li-ion battery and can hit those numbers, probably aimed at fleet customers. The SE/XLE most retail buyers will buy gets Ni-MH and only does 44/47/46.

Honda's system is really smart, not only does it eliminate a lot of friction by eliminating the transmission; not having the transmission also would reduce cost allowing them to use better battery chemistry for all trim levels. And make for a smoother and quieter performance.
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Some drivers complain about the noise or some hesitation but I forgot what they were complaining about. Mostly in the 2014 model.

I did read a little about the hybrid system in the Honda Accord's worked (something about series or parallel) but it's unlike our RAV Hybrid system for sure and I'll have a look at the video tonight:

I've ruled out a used 2 Series (potential engine issues) or IS (high resale value) and will likely going electric if the price is right and if not, go with an Accord Hybrid once finance rates turn favorable.




The Accord Hybrid system does run like that. It runs as Series hybrid at low speeds, the ev motor powering the wheels and the gas engine generating electricity. Then at highway speeds it runs in Parallel with the gas engine powering the wheels and the ev motor providing additional thrust if necessary. Toyota and Ford hybrids use parallel modes while only the Accord and Volt run in series.


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