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Accord trans lifespan?

has anyone ever been told by a honda service tech that their transmission will just start slipping at high mileage, 150000+? I was in for a new starter recently in my 99 accord EX, and the tech told me he heard my transmission making a high pitch humming sound (which I've never heard or felt any slipping) and he wanted me to put a new $3000 transmission in the car. any help would be appreciated.
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Check your at fluid..what color is it? If the trans shifts fine and no strange noises you should be fine. You may want to try a different dealer. Its very important to do some drain/fills on the at.(no flushes) every 30k max.

The service advisor at my dealer said I could reach 250k easy but not 300k. Thats after acknowledging the trans is the weakpoint of these cars. Most of the at failures he's seen have been abused(rough shape) Accords and v6's.
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Well, I am hoping for at least 200,000K out of mine.

I had an ATF drain and fill at 45,000 and 75,000. It was done also at 30,000 based on the service records I got when I purchased it at 34,000miles.

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I'm the original owner, drive it very conservatively, mostly stop and start traffic in Atlanta. I've had it checked out by another third party Honda mechanic, and they said it felt fine, shifted fine and that the fluid was clean.
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Why would a mechanic suggest such a major repair based on noise and (perceived on his part) slight performance issue? Interesting perspective to say it would be helpful to you if you would spend $3000 for something that ain't yet broke.

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I know, and the same dealer 'scared' me into purchasing new rear wheel bearings last time I was in for an oil change, which I'm beginning to wonder if I needed or not.
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I know, and the same dealer 'scared' me into purchasing new rear wheel bearings last time I was in for an oil change, which I'm beginning to wonder if I needed or not.
what dealer are you using? i am the atl metro area as well.

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The 6thGen AT's lifespan seems to be based on a random number generator. Two people I know have had AT failures - one at 40K and the other at 100K. Both maintained by a dealer and neither driven hard (or so they say). The 6thGen Accord site I look at has a number of posts from people on their 2nd or 3rd AT at under 150K miles. There are others who have >200K miles on their original AT. Honda Corp somewhat acknowledged the problem by extending the warranty on the 6thGen V6 trans to 100K miles. IIRC the I4 trans was left out.

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I have a 2001 L4.
I purchased the car with 94K. The orginal trany had intermittant 1st and 2nd flare problems. Was quiate, and shifted good otherwize. Thare was a sticker showing the fluid changed at ~ 75K?. I changed it a ~100K.

My trany was replaced under warranty at 101K, by Honda. The new trany felt loose and sloppy. The New trany shifted late, especially in 2nd and 3rd. Whines slightly, especially, 1-3rd. Makes noise, and some time has a delay, when shifting from R to D or Vise versa. I took it back to the dealership may times. I complained to Honda America. They were no help. Eventually, the loose and sloppy feel, was ID-ed as the Honda Mechanic apparently failed to tighten subframe, to the car. This was fixed by my mechanic (not Honda). The trany thoughs a error code, ever x-months, this has happened to me twice. This error will never thought a MIL (Engine), P0700, P1739. The dealership knows about this, said that, this has to thought the MIL, or it dose not mater. According to the Factory manual, it will never though a MIL or Flashing D (see page 14-7).
Currently, the trany, whines, less. Now shifts, OK, but still I get the pinding error codes...

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From what I see in Honda transmissions is proper care. On another forum, a member has an 86' Accord with 400k miles on his original transmission. Now I am not speaking for all, but with proper care anything can last.

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what dealer are you using? i am the atl metro area as well.
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I don't have a crystal ball...& neither does the dealer you took it to! There's no way to know advance how long a tranny will last. It depends one the care it gets, the driving conditions, which year it is.... And sometimes it seems the way the planets are lined up!

We got over 385K on an '82.
My '86 had no issues when sold at 180K.
My mom's '95 had no issues when traded at 80K. (neglected)
My '03 hasn't given a hint of issues...at about 30K so far.

Even the years prone to issues were hit & miss.... some are still going strong, while others have had more than one replaced.

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The Honda Tech sounds like he made this recommendation solely based off of what he's seen come and go so far. Whining IS one of the first signs that the trans is dying, and I'm rather confident that every single 1998-2002 Accord WILL need a new transmission in at least 200k miles if its city driven. The 2nd gear doesn't get enough lubrication and therefore higher mileage units with freeway miles fare much better than city driven cars.

Our 1998 Odyssey uses the same power plant as the 1998 Accord, and it's throwing an intermittent P0470 code for the torque converter. We've been told that on the 98 4cyl's, the issue is a sensor that is too sensitive and not to replace it unless the car stops shifting right, which it hasn't. The car has 152k miles.

Like I just mentioned in another thread, my Aunts 02 SE I4 gave out at 104k miles.

03-Present 4Cyl owners I think are safe. V6 owners of 03-04 models will be ones to look out for, but only time will tell.

All in all, 150k is quite a good chunk of mileage to get out of something as complex as an automatic transmission. Honda isn't as bad as some people think, many, many other companies are having units fail at much earlier mileage and are not by any means compensating owners for it. Honda chose to extend warranties on their own, as well as provide free/low cost replacements.

You never know, but as far as the original concern goes, I'd start saving your pennies, nickels and dimes. The comment your tech gave is pretty much right on the money.
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The 2nd gear doesn't get enough lubrication
The 2nd gear lubrication issue was with the 03-04 5-spd. units. The carrier bearings were the culprit of the 6th gen automatic woes.

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Honda isn't as bad as some people think, many, many other companies are having units fail at much earlier mileage and are not by any means compensating owners for it.
Not only that, but Honda entirely redesigned the transmission for the following (7th) generation and corrected the 2nd gear lubrication issue w/ the 5-spds. within the model run.

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Check your at fluid..what color is it? If the trans shifts fine and no strange noises you should be fine. You may want to try a different dealer. Its very important to do some drain/fills on the at.(no flushes) every 30k max.
There hasn't been any concrete proof that increasing the frequency of fluid changes beyond the recommended interval will increase transmission life. Many of you on the forum do the extra changes for peace-of-mind, but should mention in your posts that is done for that reason only and that it hasn't been proven to significantly increase transmission life.

In addition, fluid color is not indicative of the fluid's condition or transmission health. Honda has stated this, and so has a number of OEMs. One of my friends is a transmission fluid engineer at a major automaker, and he told me that it is normal for the fluid to discolor if it is doing its job, and if the transmission uses carbon fiber type friction materials.
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