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post #1 of 33 Old 08-27-2010, 05:53 AM Thread Starter
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Are Honda Engineers really that dumb?

Why should we use aftermarket intakes?

The Honda engineers didnt just throw a bunch of random tubing into the car and call it done. They computer analyzed how the air flow comes into the engine and tuned it to match the engines needs.

There is a giant reservoir of cold air in the fender and its all water proof.

Can an after market intake really help that much? If it did, why wouldn't the designers just put an aluminum intake in the car to start if it supposedly gets better gas mileage and performance.

Aluminum can disperse heat very well but it can also absorb heat just as fast. I had an intake in my subaru and when I opened the hood after driving, it would be super hot. How in the world can that be any better then the plastic tubing it has now?

What are you thoughts?

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Why should we use aftermarket intakes?

The Honda engineers didnt just throw a bunch of random tubing into the car and call it done. They computer analyzed how the air flow comes into the engine and tuned it to match the engines needs.

There is a giant reservoir of cold air in the fender and its all water proof.

Can an after market intake really help that much? If it did, why wouldn't the designers just put an aluminum intake in the car to start if it supposedly gets better gas mileage and performance.

Aluminum can disperse heat very well but it can also absorb heat just as fast. I had an intake in my subaru and when I opened the hood after driving, it would be super hot. How in the world can that be any better then the plastic tubing it has now?

What are you thoughts?
I agree.

I don't know how many times I have read that someone will put a CAI on and then complain that their engine stalled while driving through water, or the computer threw an error code.

The Honda engineers have been doing this for a long time, and pretty successfully, too.


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Honda wanted to find the right balance between performance and quietness. Unlike some people on this site, they don't want the loud raspy growl that comes from an aftermarket intake. Old people buy the cars too. Honda was trying to satisfy old and young alike.
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Honda wanted to find the right balance between performance and quietness. Unlike some people on this site, they don't want the loud raspy growl that comes from an aftermarket intake. Old people buy the cars too. Honda was trying to satisfy old and young alike.
I agree. I like that my car is quiet. My buddies car has a CAI and it is noisy.

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I dont mind the noise. It does sound nice and it does look nicer in the engine.....

But that aside, I spent nearly 250 bucks on a weapon R intake for my subaru last time and if it only makes noise and looks pretty it wasnt worth the money.

Are the aftermarket intakes worth the money you spend on them (performa

Now I had a ram air, if I purchased another one it would be a cold air. I would think about insulating the pipe inside the car to block heat. Now Im sure I can get a cheap intake now because I drive a honda....everything for honda is dirt cheap. But still, I just dont know if its worth it.
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I dont mind the noise. It does sound nice and it does look nicer in the engine.....

But that aside, I spent nearly 250 bucks on a weapon R intake for my subaru last time and if it only makes noise and looks pretty it wasnt worth the money.

Are the aftermarket intakes worth the money you spend on them (performa

Now I had a ram air, if I purchased another one it would be a cold air. I would think about insulating the pipe inside the car to block heat. Now Im sure I can get a cheap intake now because I drive a honda....everything for honda is dirt cheap. But still, I just dont know if its worth it.
That would be up to you and what's important to you.
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Why should we use aftermarket intakes?

The Honda engineers didnt just throw a bunch of random tubing into the car and call it done. They computer analyzed how the air flow comes into the engine and tuned it to match the engines needs.

There is a giant reservoir of cold air in the fender and its all water proof.
Aside from flow, we should also add that volume and pressure is (more) constant in the big ugly thing.

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Aside from flow, we should also add that volume and pressure is (more) constant in the big ugly thing.
Agreed. I would think the higher flow is offset by the lower volume due to expansion of the hotter air passing through it. With all the cars I've owned one common condition I've noticed is that there is always less feeling of power in the hot summer days than there is in colder weather or when the the car is first started after cooling down completely.

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Agreed. I would think the higher flow is offset by the lower volume due to expansion of the hotter air passing through it. With all the cars I've owned one common condition I've noticed is that there is always less feeling of power in the hot summer days than there is in colder weather or when the the car is first started after cooling down completely.
So are you for an intake...or against? I dont really follow which one your saying is better. Sorry im a bit slow today..

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Why should we use aftermarket intakes?

The Honda engineers didnt just throw a bunch of random tubing into the car and call it done. They computer analyzed how the air flow comes into the engine and tuned it to match the engines needs.

There is a giant reservoir of cold air in the fender and its all water proof.

Can an after market intake really help that much? If it did, why wouldn't the designers just put an aluminum intake in the car to start if it supposedly gets better gas mileage and performance.

Aluminum can disperse heat very well but it can also absorb heat just as fast. I had an intake in my subaru and when I opened the hood after driving, it would be super hot. How in the world can that be any better then the plastic tubing it has now?

What are you thoughts?
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Agreed. I would think the higher flow is offset by the lower volume due to expansion of the hotter air passing through it. With all the cars I've owned one common condition I've noticed is that there is always less feeling of power in the hot summer days than there is in colder weather or when the the car is first started after cooling down completely.
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So are you for an intake...or against? I dont really follow which one your saying is better. Sorry im a bit slow today..
I think he is against it. BTW, soon the aftermarket folks will say Honda is wrong, K&N, AEM, Weapon R are correct

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So are you for an intake...or against? I dont really follow which one your saying is better. Sorry im a bit slow today..

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This is not going to be the spot to talk about CAI I just got for my wifes car. Would it? Ha ha. I guess I just like the growl it makes.
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ive had both. noticed a diff in both. and if ur trying to lighten the car up every oz. helps, get that big dumb box outta the fender it weighs like ten pounds. i just put my cai i tigged up in. and its n-n-n-n-nasssty. good sound. good performance and it looks nice. and as an added bonus its way lighter
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They used their intake to maintain quietness that most people would want and prevent hydrolock, at least in an accord. Honda did not build the accord to be a fast car so...

As what most people always think, $200 will not buy you 100HP. Every bolt-on will add up to make a big difference.

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Well not sayin anything bad about the engineers but it obviously is better and does make more power, and for the whole water thing its easy... DON'T DRIVE THROUGH GIANT PUDDLES! Should be common sense. haha

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