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Does all Honda MT nowadays have the rev hang?

So I have a part-time job as a DD. Tonight, I got a call from my boss because I can drive a MT well.

The clients(very chill couple; the Australian dude told me he used to mod and race cars) have an Acura CSX with a 5-speed. It was a nice little car with a pretty good gear stick; it wasn't like the 10th Gen Civic I sat in at the dealer where I couldn't even tell which gear I was getting into because they are so close together.

One thing that kinda makes it harder for me to drive, though, is the rev hang. I see it being mentioned here a lot. I would lift my foot off the gas, clutch in, shift, clutch out at a moderate speed, and there would be a slight jerk. I eventually noticed that the RPM would stay for a little bit before it starts to drop. I eventually could drive the car smoothly, but that meant letting the clutch out super, super gently and slowly.

So is that just a thing with Honda MT? That will really put me off if I were to consider a Honda MT car in the future. Neither my Corolla and RX-8 have the rev hang.


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Yup! Honda provides a very good but definitely not the best MT experience. You must learn to adjust to it.

To be specific, you must take your foot off the gas slowly with each shift to make it smooth. Its not clutch speed; its gas pedal speed. Take your foot off the gas too fast a lower rpm and the drive train gets clunky. Shift quickly at high rpm and rev hang plus the slave cylinder's delay valve prevents a sharp clutch engagement and the clutch slips as the rpm slowly fall to match the input shaft's speed. That hurts peak acceleration.

Honda's don't like fast footwork. It's not horrible, but Honda no longer deserves an A+ for their MTs like they did 20 years ago. You can get Ktuner to fix rev hang and remove the delay valve to improve clutch speed, but why should anybody have to do that?


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The rev hang has been around a few years, it would drive me bonkers.
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Delivery Driver? Destructive Device? The rev hang has been with us since Honda transitioned from throttle cables to Drive By Wire. The KTuner is the only known CURE that I am aware of. I hate the rev-hang with a burning passion as it makes me look (nay, sound) like a rookie driver when I try to perform a high RPM upshift and the accursed situation so excellently described by Baldeagle occurs.

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Yup! Honda provides a very good but definitely not the best MT experience. You must learn to adjust to it.

To be specific, you must take your foot off the gas slowly with each shift to make it smooth. Its not clutch speed; its gas pedal speed. Take your foot off the gas too fast a lower rpm and the drive train gets clunky. Shift quickly at high rpm and rev hang plus the slave cylinder's delay valve prevents a sharp clutch engagement and the clutch slips as the rpm slowly fall to match the input shaft's speed. That hurts peak acceleration.

Honda's don't like fast footwork. It's not horrible, but Honda no longer deserves an A+ for their MTs like they did 20 years ago. You can get Ktuner to fix rev hang and remove the delay valve to improve clutch speed, but why should anybody have to do that?
Thanks for the answer. If I drive a newer Honda MT at some point, I will have to keep that in mind. I am used to being fast in my RX-8 now.

As for the gas pedal, I did lift off the gas pedal pretty quickly, but the thing is that I wasn't really pressing it down much because it's someone else's car. I am not sure how much the pedal travels in the CSX.

Is there a good reason they implemented the rev hang? I wonder if it's on the Civic Si or Type R.

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The rev hang has been around a few years, it would drive me bonkers.
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To be fair to Honda, I first encountered rev hang on a 1997 GMC S-15 pickup truck I bought new. I didn't know what it was and it nearly drove me to drink. Two years later I traded the truck for a 1999 Honda Civic HX, which had MT but no rev hang. Loved that car. My point, I guess, is that other makes have rev hang as well, so it's not just a Honda thing.

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other makes have rev hang as well, so it's not just a Honda thing.
Zactly. Just about even modern car on the road in the US, and some motorcycles built within the lasts 10 years has it thanks to our emissions regulations. This includes the WRX that a few fanboys here are so in love with.

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I find the MT good, and I have been driving Honda MT since the 70s. I thought the sluggish rev was from the drive-by-wire set up. Didn't seem to bother me much now that I don't mess around with heel/toe stuff any more.
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I find the MT good, and I have been driving Honda MT since the 70s. I thought the sluggish rev was from the drive-by-wire set up. Didn't seem to bother me much now that I don't mess around with heel/toe stuff any more.
Well, my RX-8 uses DBW and it doesn't have any rev-hang. You let off the gas, the rev drops, no BS, no nonsense.

It might depend on the type of car. I know most cars nowadays have the rev drop more slowly due to emission reasons, but they don't have the rev hang.

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Well, my RX-8 uses DBW and it doesn't have any rev-hang. You let off the gas, the rev drops, no BS, no nonsense.

It might depend on the type of car. I know most cars nowadays have the rev drop more slowly due to emission reasons, but they don't have the rev hang.
No doubt. I am sure that other sportier cars do not have rev hang. I only noticed it more since DBW came along especially with my 2006 CRV.
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