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post #1 of 30 Old 10-12-2007, 03:40 PM Thread Starter
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Tried installing 6x9's...didnt go to well..HELP!

Well I went to try and install some 6x9's. I had a set of earthquakes with magnets the size of the speaker from awhile back...i figured those would not work with the stock radio. I went out and purchased a set of pioneers, as well as the harness so i dont have to splice the factory wires. Everything went well (besides the fact that i lost one of those white plastic pieces that hold the speaker cover on). My problem is that the speaker cover wont fit over the friggin 6x9. Ive read many threads of ppl installing 6x9's, is there something im doing wrong?

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Well I went to try and install some 6x9's. I had a set of earthquakes with magnets the size of the speaker from awhile back...i figured those would not work with the stock radio. I went out and purchased a set of pioneers, as well as the harness so i dont have to splice the factory wires. Everything went well (besides the fact that i lost one of those white plastic pieces that hold the speaker cover on). My problem is that the speaker cover wont fit over the friggin 6x9. Ive read many threads of ppl installing 6x9's, is there something im doing wrong?
You'll either need to trim the backside of the speaker grill or mount the speakers from underneather the sheet metal in the rear deck. Been an issue with Accord rear speakers for a while that the grill doesn't really fit most aftermarket speaker's lip.


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I mounted from the bottom. Works best.

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i have a set of polk audio 6x9 speakers that me and my co-worker initially has trouble lining up the speaker holes, but found out that its just the amount of space that is available to work with underneath was limited. we were able to line them up and get all the screws back down.

as for the speaker grills, i probably only have like 1 or 2 tabs remaining on each grille, but the grills fit nice and flush with these speakers installed. they are top mounted too just like the factory 6x9's. you cant even tell anything was done in the rear deck without opening the trunk.

i would probably just play around with the available tabs on the grills until they decide to snap in. if the speaker really is preventing the grill from snapping in properly, i would bottom-mount those speakers and that will definitely resolved any grille fitment issues. you have to appreciate those screws honda used in the rear decks. they are a pain in the a** to remove without a proper socket set, and will more than likely never loosen once tightened with your new speakers.

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Well I went to try and install some 6x9's. I had a set of earthquakes with magnets the size of the speaker from awhile back...i figured those would not work with the stock radio. I went out and purchased a set of pioneers, as well as the harness so i dont have to splice the factory wires. Everything went well (besides the fact that i lost one of those white plastic pieces that hold the speaker cover on). My problem is that the speaker cover wont fit over the friggin 6x9. Ive read many threads of ppl installing 6x9's, is there something im doing wrong?
If you check crutchfield.com, you can see the speakers that fit the car. Some speakers, although 6X9, have tweeters that stick up too high.

You may also have to trim the plastic ridge on the bottom of the speaker grills. There is a thin ridge of plastic that runs around. It's a little higher in some places. It trims easy with a sharp blade in your utility knife. Just make sure you don't slip and cut the grill fabric (or yourself!).

You can mount them from the top like the factory speakers and you're good to go. This is what I did with a pair of budget Pioneer 6x9's and they work great.

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Kinda gettin off topic here... So those that have installed aftermarket 6X9's:
Does it make a difference in sound? Is the sound quality any better? ...not that my stock system sounds bad, just wondering.

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Very much so, the OEM 6x9's are one way and are pretty weak. I've got Boston S95(3)'s in right now, and there's actual sound coming from the rear now instead of just Mfff mffff mffff (from the OEM's)

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Kinda gettin off topic here... So those that have installed aftermarket 6X9's:
Does it make a difference in sound? Is the sound quality any better? ...not that my stock system sounds bad, just wondering.
depending on the speaker you install, there will be a noticeable difference in sound. i have set of polk audio db691 6x9's running of the head unit with a harness adapter. im no sound expert, but those crappy OEM one-ways are garbage. they dont produce any meaningful bass below volume 20 and make you wonder if you have any rear speakers at all, even when sitting the backseat.

when i purchased my 6x9's the most significant difference is in the magnet size compared to the OEM magnet, which is so damn tiny, i wonder how those things even produced bass to begin with. my polk audio's have a magnet that is approximately 10x large than the OEM magnet.

my speakers are 3-way and they produce nice highs, mids, and lows with a strong, clean bass output. the sound in my car is much more balanced and i can play the volume at 15 in the rear alone without any problems while driving.

they would probably sound even better with an amplifier, but i refuse to rewire and mess with the electronics in my car. im satisfied with my audio setup and will keep it that way for the life of the car.

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Kinda gettin off topic here... So those that have installed aftermarket 6X9's:
Does it make a difference in sound? Is the sound quality any better? ...not that my stock system sounds bad, just wondering.
Like the others said, it does make a big difference. I too can't figure how those OEM speakers make sound. There is virtually no magnet.

I usually buy from Crutchfield because of their service and support. There's none better. I bought some cheap Pioneer 3-ways from ebay for .99 + $10 shipping. Figured if they don't work, I'm not out too much. The OEM sound is not too bad, but the eq curve has way too much midrange, although the stereo separation is amazing. Even with the bass and trouble up all the way, there's not enough bass and highs do not "sparkle" as I like.

With the new pioneers there is a little better bass and some highs coming form the back. They'll work for now until I figure what to do next.
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I installed Pioneers too

I got a set of inexpensive G series pioneers from Walmart and dropped them in.
I couldnt' get the covers on either and lost 3 of those white clips.

Anyway, at first, I started clipping the plastic mesh, thinking the tweeter sticks out too much but the problem was a platic rim that runs on the outside of the speaker cover, it's perpendicular to the cover...like a rim, roughly 3/4 to 1" deep. I took some wire clippers and cut off the entire thing and now the cover fits like a charm.

Fitting from underneath will not provide as great a bass response as dropping them in from the top and tightening the bolts, IMO.

In terms of speaker quality, I got most of the sound coming from the back now. The stock speakers have no highs at all and pretty bad bass response. Even cheap pioneers are so much better.

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I would NEVER put higher end 6x9s in the rear deck......doors yes, but not the rear deck. Why would you want alot of treble and midrange coming from behind your head??? Bad imaging. I left the stock 6x9s in the rear deck for "rear fill".....mid bass mostly......I added a sub and amp for bottom end.

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Like the others said, it does make a big difference. I too can't figure how those OEM speakers make sound. There is virtually no magnet.

They are neodymium material........much more powerful than the traditional ferrite type magnet. The neodymium magnets can be much smaller.

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A little info on neodymium magnets...This is from a "Talk bass forum" discussing the use of this material for Bass Guitar amps...

While neodymium speaker magnets might sound like the answer to our prayers, there are reasons why this material has just recently become popular in the bass community. First, the materials can be costly. While the substance is not rare by any means, either speaker manufacturers have to become comfortable and proficient in working with the substance or speaker cabinet manufacturers must design and manufacturer their own propriety speakers….which is a costly and time-consuming proposition (NOTE: Both EA and Accugroove design and produce their own proprietary neodymium drivers). Neodymium magnets are extremely brittle and are so prone to corrosion that they are usually sealed with oil or epoxy to protect the magnets from deterioration. Another concern is the magnet's sensitivity. Neodymium magnets are highly sensitive, and while this is one of their positive attributes for use in musical applications, this hyper-sensitivity diminishes with heat. Unfortunately, once a neo speaker has suffered “heat fatigue”, the speaker's magnet is irreparably damaged. While this can happen, it is important to note that “heat fatigue” has not been a significant issue in practice as cab builders are aware of the potential issue and have engineered around this problem. One other concern involves the tonal properties that the magnets impart to neo-equipped cabinets. Neodymium speakers tend to have a bump in the midrange which some players may find to be unmusical or undesirable. While some speaker manufacturers have managed to reduce the impact of this midrange “bump” in neodymium speakers, others have not. Further, while some players might not care for a modern cab with additional midrange, some might actually prefer this type of tone (a common knock against “modern-sounding” cabs is that they are often voiced to scoop mid-range frequencies). As in all cases regarding tone, whether you regard this feature of neo speakers as a positive, negative, or a wash will ultimately be determined by personal preference.
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Ive heard alot of pros for using neodymium:

As an added bonus the Neodymium speaker and basket weigh as much as 60% less than an equivalent power ceramic magnet speaker. In the case of the L368 cabinet, the complete single 12" neodymium speaker weighs less than 4 lbs. An equivalent traditional speaker of the same size and expected performance would have to carry a 60-oz magnet, and the reinforced basket to support it, over 12 lbs. During extended high SPL performance the unique heat dissipation system incorporated into the new neodymium driver means very little heat induced impedance shift. This makes sure all of the new Elite boxes have less power compression.


Neodymium is the newest material being used for speaker magnets. Price-wise they fall between Alnico and ceramic magnet speakers. These speakers respond to a player's touch much like Alnicos and they have a well balanced frequency response. The major advantages of these magnets are weight and efficiency. A neodymium speaker weighs about 50% less than other speakers without giving up power or tone. Neodymium speakers are especially good in large, heavy amplifiers or amplifiers that have more than two speakers.


Im not saying anything one way or the other about neodymium.......I just was answering a question as to why the Accords speaker magnets are soooooo small.

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I'm with lebomb on this. I've left my rear speakers alone and added a sub and new speakers up front with amps on them. I see no need to replace the rear and drag the soundstage back. It is the quickest and easiest way to get more bass from the stock system though.


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I would NEVER put higher end 6x9s in the rear deck......doors yes, but not the rear deck. Why would you want alot of treble and midrange coming from behind your head??? Bad imaging. I left the stock 6x9s in the rear deck for "rear fill".....mid bass mostly......I added a sub and amp for bottom end.

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