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post #1 of 17 Old 08-16-2006, 09:11 PM Thread Starter
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Snow Tires for a V6....

I know it is a little early however I wanted to start doing my homework for snow tires. Snow can start flying around the end September in Calgary and area. For that matter Calgary can get snow in any month of the year.

Snow Tires under consideration....
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2
Michelin X-Ice
Toyo Observe Garit HT
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25

Rather than going with stock tire size - 215\50 R17 - I am considering to go with 215\55 R16. My reasoning for going with a smaller wheel are: larger selection of snow tires available and cost. Also there is only a .6% diameter difference the the stock tire size and 16s.

A couple of the people who spoke to me asked to make sure there will be no problems with clearance by going with a 16" wheel. Eg. brake calipers. Regardless, where I purchase the tires, will probably purchase the steel wheels from a Honda Dealership.

Anybody who has ventured down this road, have you encountered any problems with clearance or regrets going to a smaller wheel size for your snow tires. Will going to a smaller tire, put extra stress on any of the Accords safety features - EBD, VSA - or transmission.

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Most people I know drop an inch or two when going to snow tires. Personally I'm planning on getting a set of Dunlop Winter Sport M3 215/55R16 tires for winter...I just haven't decided on where I am going to get them yet.


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Lee0073,

Are you planning to purchase steel rims to go with the winter tires? If so are you going to purchase hub caps to protect the lug nuts from the salt and snow? Not sure if they are really necessary.
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I always go the smallest rim I can during the winter for snows to insure I have the most rubber between the rims and potholes. Stock steel wheel size for the Accord is a 15", and that's what I'd go with. I run a set of Nokian Hakkapeliitta 2's with studs in the 205-65R15 size with factory hubcaps (both wheels and tires are off the LX model). They handle real well, ride smooth, and cut through anything. I've run Michelin snows before and coopers, and neither can hold a candle to the Nokians - been running those for close to 20 years on various vehicles.

See if any local dealers handle them - you'l be glad you did.

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i know that inspector1 ran GREEN DIAMOND tires last year on his car. i think that he was fairly pleased with the performance too....

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I use Michelin X-ice and they have been terrific, especially on ice (go figure ). My buddy just got a set of the Nokia hakk... for this winter, I hear those are excellent tires as andy noted. I got the Michelins with 16" steelies.

Dunno which is better, but you probably wouldn't go wrong with either choice. There are a lot of good reviews out there on the net too, I read a bunch before picking up the x-ice. Whatever you do, don't cheap out on safety!

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I use Michelin X-ice and they have been terrific, especially on ice (go figure ). My buddy just got a set of the Nokia hakk... for this winter, I hear those are excellent tires as andy noted. I got the Michelins with 16" steelies.

Dunno which is better, but you probably wouldn't go wrong with either choice. There are a lot of good reviews out there on the net too, I read a bunch before picking up the x-ice. Whatever you do, don't cheap out on safety!
I'll admit that the last snow tire from Michelin I used was the Acrtic Alpin, which wasn't that great. Heard good things about the X-Ice, so I'm sure it will get you through. I'm a Michelin fan - that's all I buy for my summer tires - but I got hooked on Nokian back in the late 80's by a local dealer and talking with folks up here that do winter auto-cross and they all swear by them, and they've never let me down. If you go with the studded variants, they have what they call "eco-studs", meaning they go further into the tire in normal driving, but go further out when you start to spin and need the extra bite....

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I know it is a little early however I wanted to start doing my homework for snow tires. Snow can start flying around the end September in Calgary and area. For that matter Calgary can get snow in any month of the year.

Snow Tires under consideration....
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2
Michelin X-Ice
Toyo Observe Garit HT
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25

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You may want to check with T&T Honda/CMS Motorsport. They had some exceptional winter tire/steel wheel packages last winter and should be close to putting out their package list for this coming winter. CMS (owned by T&T) was pretty decent to work with and even do the annual winter/spring tire changeouts for no cost.

I bought the Toyo package and have been happy with them.

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...Stock steel wheel size for the Accord is a 15", and that's what I'd go with...
One thing to keep in mind though is the different trims do use slightly different brake rotor sizes (atleast the V6 6spd coupe does)...which might have some clearance issues with 15 inch rims.

Still...I'd def drop a size or two if possible for your set up

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I think the smallest rim size you can fit is 16" on a 7th gen V6 Accord. Why not use the stock size for 2003-2004 V6 Accords (205/60R16)? A narrower tire gives better traction in the snow and this size may be even cheaper than what you proposed.
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Thanks for your feedback very insightful.

One of the tire guys mentioned to be careful not to go too small - tread width - as you are decreasing the car's stability for some enhanced snow traction. He also mentioned, decreasing the size of the tire's footprint compromises traction on ice. In Calgary, ice traction is important as only bus routes, major roads are kept clear and Calgary is very hilly.

The intent has always been to get wheel covers with steel wheels. Thanks for the reminder\hint.

Right now the forerunners for tires are the Michelin X-ice and Toyo Garit HT, will research the Nokians though. The nice thing about the X-ice and Garit HT are both tires have reinforced sidewalls in the 215\55 R16. Although still a little concerned as the X-ice are speed rated at Q vs H for the Garit HTs.

Will give the 205\60 R16s some thought. The 205s are a little taller than the stock tires so a little extra clearance may not hurt.

Purchased the Accord at T&T Honda. Was talking with the parts manager, during my last visit, about winter tires and he showed me the deals on the remaining stock from last year. He also said to talk to him before purchasing from someone else.

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Followup....

Ordered Kumho KW17 tires in 205\60-16 with BSA 295 16" alloy wheels from a local firm called My Tires Inc - . Also included with the tire package was free tire rotations and flat tire repairs.

Per a local discussion database, Kumho's winter tires handle Calgary winters well and they are Q rated. Went with 16" alloy wheels so I would not have to deal with hubcaps.

Found the feedback provided, very helpful as this is my first time purchasing winter tires.

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Don't forget to report back after you've driven in the white stuff for awhile. It's always helpful to get first hand impressions of tires from others.

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Stevencrosbie, what kind of tires do you run, and do you run them on a smaller rim size or the stock tl wheels?

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I think the smallest rim size you can fit is 16" on a 7th gen V6 Accord. Why not use the stock size for 2003-2004 V6 Accords (205/60R16)? A narrower tire gives better traction in the snow and this size may be even cheaper than what you proposed.
Personally I'm still debating the whole 205 vs 215 "thing" for my snow tires. Where I live we don't get a whole lot of snow, and its usually plowed fairly quickly. I'm also lowered because of the HFP suspension...so if there is a lot of snow I'd be worried about clearance issues so my baby would be staying home anyhow...lol. I also don't want to give up performance on clear roads during the winter...so I figure the 215s might be the better option for me.

In regards to getting 60R17s vs 55R17s according to the calculators I've used on the Internet, 55R16 gives the closest match to the stock 50R17 set up (the 55s are 0.6% smaller, whereas the 60s are 2.7% larger than the stock set up)

Also the price savings isn't that great...the 215/60R16s are $147.53 CDN vs the 215/55R16s which are $167.14 CDN. Thats only $90 with taxes for all 4...so for only $90 savings its probably best to go with the closest to stock size rather than going larger and throwing off my speedo/odo a bit while I am running the snows...


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