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post #1 of 18 Old 07-22-2010, 12:33 PM Thread Starter
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Another alignment question... How often does yours get knocked out?

I just got an alignment this past Saturday... Last night, I hit a (not even really big) bump on the highway, and my steering has felt slightly looser since then. I am 99.999999% sure I have knocked my alignment out again...

How often do you guys' alignments get knocked out?

I live in NYC and I try very hard to miss potholes and big bumps... I pretty much do a decent job of it.

*Here's a little history of my car*
For the first 18k miles or so of ownership (from 20,000-38,000 miles) my car has had no alignment issues and has not gotten knocked out of alignment by streets/roads or anything.

Finally got knocked out of alignment once, and I took the car to Sears Auto to do the alignment on their Hunter machine... I have since gone there about 6 times to have it re-done because within a matter of weeks each time, my alignment had gotten out of whack again...

Is there any way that Sears was to blame for the alignments getting knocked out sooner than before? I mean, is there anyway that they could have not tightened something enough or anything like that?

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I made my first alignment adjustment at 80k miles and it was only about 0.5 degree out of spec at two wheels. I live in Boston so there's probably fewer potholes than NYC... I think Sears has a 6000 mile warranty on their alignments so if it's within warranty, just bring it back.

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I made my first alignment adjustment at 80k miles and it was only about 0.5 degree out of spec at two wheels. I live in Boston so there's probably fewer potholes than NYC... I think Sears has a 6000 mile warranty on their alignments so if it's within warranty, just bring it back.
I bring it back there every other week. Im done with Sears

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My last alignment was at 36k (did it myself) and is currently at 61k. I have been doing a lot of NYC and LI street driving lately, so I'm planning on doing my alignment again in about two weeks when I get my tires replaced. I do feel my car winding to the right and my steering wheel is not 100% straight so I'm sure I need one sure, also my tires has uneven wear.

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My last alignment was at 36k (did it myself) and is currently at 61k. I have been doing a lot of NYC and LI street driving lately, so I'm planning on doing my alignment again in about two weeks when I get my tires replaced. I do feel my car winding to the right and my steering wheel is not 100% straight so I'm sure I need one sure, also my tires has uneven wear.
How do you do your own alignment? Do you have a machine or is there some other way to do it?

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Car was aligned when it was purchased, about a year ago. I drive through THE WORST roads in NY/NJ DAILY, and I have not had an issue. Sure I've taken a few hard potholes/dips etc, but I haven't had any problems.

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mine hasn't been aligned for at least 40k (if ever) and I have no issues what so ever with it. I'm in Rhode Island where the roads mimic lunar terrain too

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I am at 93k miles on my 04 and I am the original owner. I am still running my first set of BFG traction T/A replacements, and I have yet to need an alignment.

The steering wheel has never been knocked off center, and the tires are wearing so good and even that I am actually planning to replace them in Fall (even with good tread left) just to have full depth tread for winter. (Strictly for peace of mind)

Now this is not the norm, and its a first for me. And, its impossible to put a number on how often to get an alignment because it depends. Tire alignment can get knocked out today, or never.

The best advice I can give: Do not get an alignment like you would a scheduled maintenance...get it done only when needed.
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I got mine at 76k and it's about 110 now and I've never had an alignment. I don't know if it was done before I bought it but I doubt it

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When i was on coilovers, mine would get knocked out very quickly even with 215/50/17 tires. Never done one before coilovers or suspension mods (installed at 28k) after playing with suspension i got about 5 alignments and my car has 35k on it now. Im back to oem-ish suspension and im pretty sure i wont need another alignment for a WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILE.

I purchased 3year-unlimited alignments from NTB , if theres one in your area i highly suggest it because the guy that does mine (i have adjustable front/rear cambers) is amazing and im always driving like an arrow after his alignments.

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Ok so here's an update.

I had Continental ExtremeContact DWS tires on for about a month, but I took them off because they were making my car pull to the right, and they were squirmy on the road.

Got Yokohama Avid ENVigors put on yesterday in their place and the pulling was gone and the car wasn't all over the road anymore. Got my alignment checked by Honda, and also had STS tire do an actual alignment on my car today.

My steering was nice and heavy and tight all day today. I had them bump my tire pressure up to 33.6 in the front, and 30 in the rear for gas mileage, and a little added steering input.

My steering was tight all day, however, I did some driving in the Bronx tonight, and I drove over some pretty bumpy roads. These tires are pretty hard riding, so with the little extra pressure, they aren't the most pleasant tires to have on NYC roads, but they aren't too different from the OE Michelins so I can grit my teeth and get used to them again...

Anyway, when I got on the highway I noticed that my steering was no longer nice and heavy and tight. It was now light and I had to correct the steering more.

This is the exact problem that I have been having since 4 or so months ago, and is the reason why I have had a bizillion alignments this summer.

I have noticed something however... On both Honda's (John Beam) alignment machine, and STS' (Hunter) alignment machine, my rear camber on the right side was pretty off. On Honda's it was -1.6 degrees which is in the red. On STS', it was -1.5 which is the very last number before red. **And there was maybe 10lbs. of stuff in my trunk today IF that, and I only had a 1/4 tank of gas**.

The left rear camber is something like -.7

I have noticed that on my last couple alignments, the front TOE has been good. However, the rear TOE keeps getting considerably knocked into the red.

What could be causing my BASICALLY out of spec rear right camber? What component can be bad?

Also, can my bad right rear camber be causing my rear (both sides) toe(s) to be going out? If not, what can be causing that?

Im really REALLY reallyy sick of this steering/alignment crap that is going on. While I still have a wish and before my warranty is over, I want Honda to replace whatever is causing my rear end crap that is going on.

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I'd give the tires at least 500 - 1,000 miles to break in. What you're describing sounds normal.

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NOTE: Be careful whenever you explore the capabilities of your new tires. Remember that every tire requires a break-in period for optimum performance."

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In my opinion part of your problem is going to multiple shops and having work done. Each shop has different machines and has no idea what the other did. In addition the shops you are going to are mass market shops, they are less likely to spend the time to have calibrated gear, and zero things out. Many alignment rigs are out spec due to parts being dropped / damaged or lack of caring. Just because one shop has brand X of machine does not mean its out of spec of the parts have been dropped.

I think what you need is a good tuner shop that works on lowered cars (more touchy) and is willing to spend the time to both align, diagnose, and fix everything.

random question, what is the offset on the rims you have? I seem to recall you having non stock rims... The reason I ask is there was a previous post by another member complaining about "odd loose" steering, and things were fixed when he went back to stock.

And yes. Break in the tires.

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I'd give the tires at least 500 - 1,000 miles to break in. What you're describing sounds normal.

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OH damn... The tire place really didn't tell me about a break-in period, and I have already been driving the tires moderately spiritedly.

Did I negatively affect the tires if I haven't been driving them very easy?


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In my opinion part of your problem is going to multiple shops and having work done. Each shop has different machines and has no idea what the other did. In addition the shops you are going to are mass market shops, they are less likely to spend the time to have calibrated gear, and zero things out. Many alignment rigs are out spec due to parts being dropped / damaged or lack of caring. Just because one shop has brand X of machine does not mean its out of spec of the parts have been dropped.

I think what you need is a good tuner shop that works on lowered cars (more touchy) and is willing to spend the time to both align, diagnose, and fix everything.

random question, what is the offset on the rims you have? I seem to recall you having non stock rims... The reason I ask is there was a previous post by another member complaining about "odd loose" steering, and things were fixed when he went back to stock.

And yes. Break in the tires.
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OH damn... The tire place really didn't tell me about a break-in period, and I have already been driving the tires moderately spiritedly.

Did I negatively affect the tires if I haven't been driving them very easy?
I think the main concern is safety. While the manufacturing lubrication chemicals are still wearing off, the tires won't be as grippy. Anything is possible but I highly doubt you've damaged them. I would avoid foot stomping braking that could cause a slight flight spot and tail skidding turns . . . But moderately spirited driving shouldn't hurt. After I had the Contis put on, I took the back roads and pushed them thru the curves. Not as hard I normally might have but I leaned into the turns pretty good.


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