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Transmission Rebuild

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My transmission went out on my '03 Accord EX V6 so for the last few months I've been saving money to get it rebuilt. I'm going to have enough in a couple of weeks so I was just wondering if anyone has had their transmission rebuilt on this gen car and, if so, have they had any problems later on down the road with the rebuilt transmission or, if regular maintenance, the rebuilt one will live up to the Honda name. I know that this year transmission has problems which is why I opted for the rebuild vs. getting a salvaged one for a little cheaper but i don't want to have to do this every 2-3 years. Any advice would be welcome.

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Has your Accord been inspected by Honda? My transmission on my 03 EX V6 Auto Coupe went out last year (52,000 miles) and once Honda experienced the gears slipping, they replaced it for free under their goodwill policy (since the transmission failure is a known issue).

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Yeah I took it to Honda straight off. I bought it in February of '08 with 91,000mi and put 9,000mi on it since i got so they wouldn't replace it because of how many miles it had. They test drove it and said I needed a new trans and PCM to the tune of $4500. Took it to an independent shop and he said he could rebuild it for $2600 so that's what I'm going to do. Honda wouldn't rebuild it but they were going to buy a rebuilt one and install it.
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Yeah I took it to Honda straight off. I bought it in February of '08 with 91,000mi and put 9,000mi on it since i got so they wouldn't replace it because of how many miles it had. They test drove it and said I needed a new trans and PCM to the tune of $4500. Took it to an independent shop and he said he could rebuild it for $2600 so that's what I'm going to do. Honda wouldn't rebuild it but they were going to buy a rebuilt one and install it.
You might look over this current thread over in problems and solutions regarding maintenance being a non issue for trans failure.
Transmission Slipping- Gen 7

Did you buy it from the Honda dealer that you took it back to for the transmission estimate? If you did and you only put 9K miles on it since Feb, regardless of the 99K miles, I would have an issue with that. Maybe see if they would split the cost at a minimum.

It is just unbelievable how shops and dealers put so much emphasis on mileage when they know these cars go 200K plus. 99K is nothing.

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Yeah it is pretty ridiculous. I raised that point to them, as well and both the dealer and Honda America said they couldn't do anything due to the high miles. I do know that they replaced the trans in '04 under recall because of the many problems they have had so I'm not exactly surprised that the transmission went out I just want to make sure that it's not going to be something I'll have to deal with repeatedly. After it went out and i did research on it it seemed that some people had said that rebuilt transmissions are much better and last longer but I's like to hear it from people that have actually had it done.
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I just went through this exercise this week! This is what prompted me to find this site. These transmissions have never been right from day 1.

I've got an early '04 v6 5at. I noticed slipping in 2nd at 60k and took it into the dealer. They could not duplicate my issue and basically said "they all do that, we're not replacing all of them!". Fast forward to 97k, and the unit failed catastrophically. I lobbied HOA for good faith repair and they offered a 60/40 split on the costs and a 3 yr/ 36k warranty. Because I had documented problems they offered me the assistance.

They provided a newly rebuilt tranny. THe difference is that the old unit was subcontracted from GM (!?!) and the new unit was rebuilt by Honda. I did notice a difference today on the new tranny especially in and out of 2nd gear- it felt smoother than the original when I bought it 5yrs ago. I would love to hear from others that have the rebuild.

Bottom line is you may have a case with HOA assistance, and be careful what rebuild you are buying. If the dealer won't help you call HOA directly and explain the situation politely.
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Yeah I called HOA and they said pretty much said the transmission won't last forever even though I had just bought the car 1 1/2 before the problem. I work at Jiffy Lube here and there's a tranny shop right next door so I'm going to have them rebuild it in-house. I haven't had to have any transmission work done before so I don't necessarily have a guy I can take it to especially since I do all the other work myself. But he has looked at my cars before and he knows his stuff so hopefully it's not a bad experience but I'm definitely not taking it to the dealer because in talking with them to figure out what the best route would be I've learned that they have their heads so far up their asses that they're getting cavities. I'll be sure to post how it went and I'm hoping it ends up as good as yours!
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have you tried LKQ? might be cheaper ...
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No I don't want to get a salvaged trans because these transmission have had so many problems I don't want to replace it just to have the same problem in 50k miles
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Yeah it is pretty ridiculous. I raised that point to them, as well and both the dealer and Honda America said they couldn't do anything due to the high miles. I do know that they replaced the trans in '04 under recall because of the many problems they have had so I'm not exactly surprised that the transmission went out I just want to make sure that it's not going to be something I'll have to deal with repeatedly. After it went out and i did research on it it seemed that some people had said that rebuilt transmissions are much better and last longer but I's like to hear it from people that have actually had it done.
Then if you say the transmission was replaced in 04 then it has less miles on it then the 90K odometer, correct.

If this is the second trans I would think that would give you more on your side?

It is kinda ironic that Honda builds cars to last forever and they turn around and tell you that your car has high miles at 90K.

I would print out the problems noted on this web site and take them to HOA. They probably feel most have no clue about the issues and will more likely side on non replacement vs. helping the customer out.

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OK another thing, if you had a transmission rebuild before, that came with a warranty. Usually it is 3/36,000. If it was in '04 then you're outside that but just checking.

Failing that, and failing HOA offering assistance, then I say take it to a transmission specialist such as cottman or aamco who specialize in this. They quoted me $2200~ for a full rebuild, $1000 less than the dealer.

My dealer rep discouraged me at first, but I politely insisted, and he came back with a reasonable deal for me from Honda. If that doesn't work then call them yourself on the 1800 number. If you've owned other Hondas definitely mention that.

Remember, these guys don't want to admit there are any problems. These are hondas, they are perfect, that is how they act to the customer.
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OK another thing, if you had a transmission rebuild before, that came with a warranty. Usually it is 3/36,000. If it was in '04 then you're outside that but just checking.

Failing that, and failing HOA offering assistance, then I say take it to a transmission specialist such as cottman or aamco who specialize in this. They quoted me $2200~ for a full rebuild, $1000 less than the dealer.

My dealer rep discouraged me at first, but I politely insisted, and he came back with a reasonable deal for me from Honda. If that doesn't work then call them yourself on the 1800 number. If you've owned other Hondas definitely mention that.

Remember, these guys don't want to admit there are any problems. These are hondas, they are perfect, that is how they act to the customer.
Beware of Cottman. Yes, they fix what is only broke (their advertisemet) but they have to tear down the tranny to do the estimate of what needs fixed. Once tore down, then the bill can get as high as a complete trans which is probably what they will tell you it needs in the end.

They did my Civic tranny. When I got the estimate, it was as high/higher than the earlier estimates I received from places that were going to replace my tranny. I did not tell them I had these estimates in my back pocket prior to their tear down. Once the Cottman manager tried to get me for as much as the other quotes, I showed him the other estimates. He quickly sharpened his pencil and gave me a reasonable price.

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I've called HOA but they wouldn't do anything for me. I'm having a local transmission shop rebuild it for me. I assumed it included a warranty but now that you mention it I should ask before i bring it in. When I was on the phone with HOA I told them that i work at Jiffy Lube and do all my own work so I'm not an idiot and I know that these transmissions have problems. I also said that, working at J Lube, I have customers come in every day asking what would be a good car to buy and I always tell them Hondas but I would be sure to tell them something else now. I'll probably still tell them Hondas because they are really great cars but I was pretty angry. They didn't respond to any of that stuff.

I haven't had the car too long so I didn't know the trans had been replaced before til HOA told me over the phone but I said I though that bolstered my argument more than theirs. I agree it's a little messed up but otherwise I love this car and really just want it to run like a Honda after this.
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The goodwill replacement is a case by case basis. To compare, my Accord had 52,000 miles in 2008 when the transmission started slipping. Grey's had 99,000 miles in 2008 when his started slipping. Both are 2003 V6 automatics. My Accord was serviced only by Honda, and I have been the only owner since it was new. Honda knows the entire service history of the vehicle. Grey is not the original owner and said he does his own service on the vehicle. It is also unknown as to how the vehicle was serviced for the first 90,000 miles before he owned it, or how it was serviced after the first transmission replacement. Those are important factors that Honda must consider when evaluating a goodwill service.

At least Grey gave it a shot through Honda to see if they would handle it for him. I think Honda's quality has suffered since the vehicles are built in the U.S.
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Beware of Cottman. Yes, they fix what is only broke (their advertisemet) but they have to tear down the tranny to do the estimate of what needs fixed. Once tore down, then the bill can get as high as a complete trans which is probably what they will tell you it needs in the end.

They did my Civic tranny. When I got the estimate, it was as high/higher than the earlier estimates I received from places that were going to replace my tranny. I did not tell them I had these estimates in my back pocket prior to their tear down. Once the Cottman manager tried to get me for as much as the other quotes, I showed him the other estimates. He quickly sharpened his pencil and gave me a reasonable price.
Actually you have a good point there. The guy did try to get out of me what Honda quoted.

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