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Drew's quest for the toughest motor oil... or something like that :)

SO I mentioned this in another thread, but thought I'd start yet another oil thread, since they seem to be so prevalent these days. Mostly, I wanted to share with my fellow OCD sufferers. LOL

I know some of you may disagree with going from a full syn to semi-synthetic, but understand that I didn't switch because of cost, or because I think Pennzoil is bad oil. It is perfectly good or better yet -- great oil. Furthermore, I've been using it for many years, before and after it got converted to the natural gas base. I also didn't switch because I needed a seal swelling high mileage oil or any of the other crap. My car doesn't leak and the engine is tight at 181K. I switched because of quite a bit of research led me to Maxlife and it has proved to have one of the toughest oil films. I also have personal experience with Maxlife oil....

Years ago, I bought a truck that had 245K on it. When pulled the dipstick, the oil was barely registering on the bottom. When I checked the owner's records, the oil hadn't been changed in roughly 20K and he hadn't checked the dipstick for probably the better part of a year. The fact that there was still oil in it, led me to purchase it (cheap). It still lives on today and is in great cond. It was later while rereading the records that I saw it had been changed with Maxlife oil. I believe that had it been a lesser oil, the former owner would have lost the engine. Anyway, I'm getting off track.

As we know, the most important job of any oil is to prevent wear. It does so by keeping a thin film of oil between moving parts. Based on that, I researched oil tests and analysis... more importantly, INDEPENDENT oil tests, which used physical torture tests resulting in scarred metal. The best one I came across is linked below. It's quite long, but my warped mind found it interesting enough to read thru to it's entirety. I've followed his writings for years on various oil forums and his tests are the real deal. I believe they cut through the hype of the oil companies and allow us mere mortals to choose an oil based on true performance.

Anyway, I ended up choosing Valvoline Maxlife 5W-30 because his (and a few other) tests had it scoring outstanding on wear protection. To use his words, it gives you a "higher margin of safety." Given that it's a semi-syn and oil companies never reveal their synthetic to conventional ratio, I add a single qt of Pennzoil platinum to ramp up the synthetic content.

Enjoy the read, if you are so inclined. Don't be confused by the fact that Pennzoil Platinum was the highest scoring oil. That was the case BEFORE they switched to natural gas formula and the old formulation is no longer available. The blog is old and he keeps updating it.



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Not another oil thread. We love oil threads!

All jokes aside, thanks for the info. I tried Penz Plat once and didn't like it. The engine was a bit louder and was ticking. That's not the case with regular Penzoil High Mileage, so I switched back to conventional high mileage I was using. I may give it a go based on your thread.


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Thanks for the info. I have been considering switching to a high mileage oil from my conventional 5w20 I'm doing now. However oil consumption seems to be not as bad as I thought so maybe I'll just stick to conventional.

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Thanks for the info. I have been considering switching to a high mileage oil from my conventional 5w20 I'm doing now. However oil consumption seems to be not as bad as I thought so maybe I'll just stick to conventional.
It's better to have no consumption than not as bad consumption. I don't see why you wouldn't switch to high mileage. Nothing to lose.
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It's better to have no consumption than not as bad consumption. I don't see why you wouldn't switch to high mileage. Nothing to lose.
Alright thanks, I may give it a go on my next change. Will ask my current oil change shop if they have any high mileage available, or if not if I can purchase the oil and have them change it with that.

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Enjoy the read, if you are so inclined. [...]
I enjoy reading about oil. Not so much that I spend much time on BITOG, but I like an article now and then.

But this Guy is so HARD to read with all the random Capitalization or Upper-casing of various WORDS. And while I admire Confidence, it's difficult to TRUST someone so Boastful as to say things like this: "Of course Ive always known my carefully generated data is completely accurate."

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I enjoy reading about oil. Not so much that I spend much time on BITOG, but I like an article now and then.

But this Guy is so HARD to read with all the random Capitalization or Upper-casing of various WORDS. And while I admire Confidence, it's difficult to TRUST someone so Boastful as to say things like this: "Of course I’ve always known my carefully generated data is completely accurate."
Just read the conclusion. They say everything was said is summarized there anyway

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I skipped to the list after reading a bit. M1 was his top-rated 0w-20, which is interesting as it also seems to win the cold-pour tests on Youtube.

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I bought the 7 Gen that my son now drives new. I have to admit, I don't check the oil as much as I probably should, but thankfully, even before I change it, it is always on the upper part of the good range on the dipstick. I haven't owned a car with this many miles on it since college. This thread got me thinking that with 125K on the clock, maybe it's time for high mileage oil. With the miles I had been driving it, it didn't very often go more than 6 months without an oil change. I have to say, Mobil 1 5w20 has been good to this car.
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This thread got me thinking that with 125K on the clock, maybe it's time for high mileage oil.
If there are no leaks/burning and the engine's still sounds tight, there is no specific need for high mileage. I only ended up with Maxlife High Mileage because it scored highly in the tests. Now, it is possible that the additives formulated for it's "high mileage" designation has something to do with that.

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I skipped to the list after reading a bit. M1 was his top-rated 0w-20, which is interesting as it also seems to win the cold-pour tests on Youtube.
Mobil 1 is highly rated in most tests I've come across. You can hardly go wrong with it. Not to say the Maxlife doesn't flow well, but I added 1qt of Pennzoil full syn to the Maxlife, with cold pour in mind.

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But this Guy is so HARD to read with all the random Capitalization or Upper-casing of various WORDS. And while I admire Confidence, it's difficult to TRUST someone so Boastful as to say things like this: "Of course I’ve always known my carefully generated data is completely accurate."
I feel you on those points and they are valid, but don't let it dissuade you from the big picture. I haven't found a better independent test out there. The oil brands are even more boastful, if you get my drift.

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I agree. If I ever thought I needed "high mileage" I'd switch to a conventional or blend as well. I've thought about running maxlife many times. But I'll stick with platinum for now, at least through this winter. Though I'd do the 5w20 instead of 5w30.
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I actually tried 5w-30 once, and the engine seemed to make more noise, so it was ruled out. I went with the Mobil 1 high mileage 0w-20, and the level on the dipstick hasn't moved after 4000 miles so far, so I'll probably stick with it for now. I keep hearing that the 0w-20 is a better oil than the 5w-20, and since Honda now recommends it for our engines, I switched.

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