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post #31 of 36 Old 10-31-2009, 08:38 PM
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so wait you cant have any sort of HID's or just RETRO's?

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Hey this was really nice and thanks for sharing this information

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Well this article was good but a little funny
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HIDs should not be installed in halogen housings because of the improper beam pattern generated and it is horribly blinding to other drivers on the road.

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Originally Posted by rafael73 View Post
Did you dredge up these threads for a reason? Cross-posting to promote your thread isn't cool. Necromancy for such is even less cool.

Odd how someone that put put so many different colored bulbs in their car is concerned with people using HID. Odd colored lighting can be as distracting as anything on the road. I have HID in my accord, and I can see better on a normal road than the OEM HID in my G, granted I used FX projectors with 4300k 50w D2S kit from DDM. The G wins at overall lighting due to leveling and cornering motors, but the light from the FX projectors with clear lens is much cleaner. I adjusted the projectos to minimize the color band as I am more concerned with seeing than having bling bling flicker. I also have 3000k HID with 50w ballasts in the fogs on my G and due to the construction of the fogs there is zero glare and they work fantastic in the rain. Haven't had fog to try them yet, and I don't drive around with fogs when it is unwarranted because my headlights are good enough. Sorry, no blue bulbs or odd colored turn signals for me.

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Hell I'm an experienced consultant and supply house as well. I have about 10 pairs of different projectors, so many ballasts I've lost count and bulbs appear out of thin air when I dig through the garage.

It depends on the housings. My 01 accord responded fairly well to the standard cheap-o "kit" but needed a shield to control glare, but the beam pattern wasn't great so I upgraded it to projectors and it worked great. I thought of butchering housings when I had the WRX but just put in STi reflectors and 50w ballasts and called it a day.

For the average R-boy I'd smack their hands when they think about putting in aftermarket HID(I want to smack every HID mall salesman I see), but if you care about other drivers and take precautions when adding HID(whether it be shields, OEM projectors, whatever) HID can be a good thing. I won't own a vehicle without HID. I looked at the size of the housings on my accord contemplating retrofit before I even took a test drive lol.

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so apparently there has been a lot of argument caused over this argument. and i find it sort of funny how there was a lot of misinformation thrown about over there.

SEMA has prevailed and the NHTSA has agreed that HID retrofits are legal.

here is the text of the article.

SEMA Prevails on Motor Vehicle Lighting Rule; NHTSA Alters Interpretation on Enhanced Replacement Headlamp Systems

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 1, 2005--Following a challenge by the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA), the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has withdrawn a controversial interpretation of the federal lighting standard. SEMA disputed NHTSA's constitutional and statutory authority to prohibit vehicle headlamp replacement systems that are different than the headlamps and components which came with the original vehicle. The agency's latest action reverses this ruling.

In a Nov. 1, 2005, notice published in the Federal Register, NHTSA agreed with SEMA that Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 108 is a performance standard that allows for different types of replacement headlamp systems, lamps and sources so long as the system meets the photometry and functionality requirements of the standard. It had been NHTSA's contention that replacement headlamps must comply with all applicable photometry requirements using the same light source as the original equipment. This interpretation would have prohibited, for example, replacing a halogen-based system with high-intensity discharge (HID) headlamps that otherwise meet all requirements of FMVSS 108.

"NHTSA's reversal is wholly consistent with the statutory requirement that replacement lighting equipment meet an objective performance standard. We applaud the agency for issuing this revised ruling," said SEMA President and CEO Chris Kersting. "A policy limiting the consumer's choice of design runs contrary to long-standing precedent, is beyond authority as delegated by Congress and could have threatened other equipment beyond lighting in the future. We are pleased that by acting on our members' behalf, we were able to overturn this policy."

NHTSA first issued its controversial interpretation in 2003 as a draft opinion letter subject to public comment. None of the 25 organizations and businesses that commented agreed with NHTSA's proposal that replacement equipment conform to the standard in the same manner as the original equipment. Instead, commenters argued that aftermarket manufacturers should be allowed to certify replacement lighting equipment under FMVSS No. 108 in such manner as complies with the performance standard it sets forth. Despite these recommendations, NHTSA stuck with its position and published a final opinion letter in October 2004. SEMA immediately petitioned the agency to reconsider its action.

"SEMA continues to stand for the right to responsibly accessorize, modify, and improve vehicles with enhanced aftermarket lighting," said SEMA Chairman Mitch Williams. "Enhanced headlamp lighting systems improve safety aspects of the vehicle and can be fully compliant with all relevant federal standards. SEMA vigorously opposed this interpretation of a long-standing regulation. It threatened to inhibit many legitimate companies who are in the business of improving vehicle lighting to the benefit of the motoring public. SEMA welcomes NHTSA's reversal and will continue to work with the agency to ensure fair and accurate implementation of this new interpretation."

Founded in 1963, SEMA represents the $32 billion specialty automotive industry of 6,466 member companies. It is the authoritative source for research, data, trends and market growth information for automakers and the specialty auto products industry. The industry provides appearance, performance, comfort, convenience and technology products for passenger and recreational vehicles. For more information contact SEMA at 1575 S. Valley Vista Dr., Diamond Bar, CA 91765-0910; call 909-396-0289; or visit and .
HID's are indeed legal.. BUT.. Here's where some get into trouble. They retrofit them in headlights not designed for them which causes extreme glare. Look at the factory cars that have them. Look at the type of headlight setup they use. There's your answer. There is also a color test officers use. They hold a white piece of paper in front of the lamps. If the paper still looks white, they are ok. Now this is where the law may change. If the headlight wasn't designed for them, then they are illegal. Also a precaution, alot of older cars cannot support the extra current draw and over time burn up wiring. Something to think about. (1) Are my headlight mounts HID compatible. (2) Will my wiring hold up.. Remember on #1, a pretty good rule of thumb, if your car didn't come with HID's then the headlight design probably wasn't meant for them, thus an install would indeed be illegal. If you look at cars with them you'll notice they have focused lenses with HID which mamimizes efficiency and minimized glare. Open parabolic lenses and HID's don't mix.

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